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USC Dornsife/LA Times Election Poll: Trump lead widens day after debate
USC Dornsife ^ | September 28, 2016

Posted on 09/28/2016 12:13:57 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist

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To: Dr. Sivana

Oh, and Carly’s face. I forgot Carly’s face.


101 posted on 09/28/2016 7:34:13 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Thornton Mellon is doing a good job of keeping it real. Philip o’ Hillary on the other hand would like to talk about widgets instead.


102 posted on 09/28/2016 7:40:37 AM PDT by eaglestar
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To: commish

let’s not forget his makeup out of Clockwork Orange, his sighing fits, and his alpha male coaching.


103 posted on 09/28/2016 7:48:11 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

I think that may be one of the best explanations of the difference between a progressive (IE Socialist) and a Marxist I have ever read. Definate +1.


104 posted on 09/28/2016 8:06:36 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes Sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it!)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect

I hear ya, but for my money, there isn’t enough difference between progressives and Marxists to fill a thimble.

If the Marxists sounded the call to begin shooting Deplorables, their progressive boot lickers would start pulling triggers.


105 posted on 09/28/2016 8:20:05 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: nathanbedford

“...that was a typographical error...”

Fair enough.


106 posted on 09/28/2016 8:21:39 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: techno

“Trump’s support among A/A went up from 14.3% to 18.2% in 1 day of polling.”

Story out that there is a good percentage of the A/A vote going for Trump in Florida.


107 posted on 09/28/2016 9:51:47 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I thought she “won” the debate?”

She did, if you’re scoring the debate by Marquess of Queensberry College Debate Rules.

If you’re scoring by effectiveness of moving the electoral college needle, she lost.


108 posted on 09/28/2016 10:05:03 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: nathanbedford
I find no evidence whatsoever that Donald tramp intends to cut the deficit or reduce the debt by cutting spending.

That is a given for Hillary. No evidence is needed. She is going to tax and spend. And she has said nothing about repairing an eviscerated military. Her focus will be on expanding the welfare state.

We better pray that the economy does grow and we better pray the Janet Yellin keeps interest rates under control so that there can be a "beautiful" rate of growth.

We are not going to grow our way out of this fiscal mess. The biggest drivers of our growing debt are the entitlement programs, which are on automatic pilot. We are an aging population with 10,000 people retiring every day up thru 2030. Medicare and SS costs will continue to grow. We need entitlement reform.

Trump has been smart politically by not addressing entitlement reform, knowing full well that the Dems will go to their usual playbook and blame the Reps for taking away SS and Medicare. There can be no reform without bipartisan support.

SS and Medicare are pay as you go programs, i.e., today's workers pay for today's retirees. SS has been running in the red since 2010 and Medicare since 2008. The shortfall is being made up by cashing in T-bills from the trust funds using the General Fund. The trust funds are included in the $19 trillion national debt and represent an unfunded liability. The Medicare trust funds will be exhausted in 2024 and SS in 2033. After that, by law, benefits will have to be reduced based on existing revenue.

In 1950 there were 16 workers for every retiree; today, there are less than 3; and by 2030 there will be two workers for every retiree. And by 2030 one out of every five people will be 65 or older. The entitlement programs are unsustainable.

Hoping that Yellen keeps interest rates "under control" is an outrage. The Fed has been artificially keeping interest rates low and buying huge amounts of T-bills, i.e., printing money. The Fed now holds $2.5 trillion of our national debt. Low interest rates have hurt savers and helped Wall Street. Yellen and her predecessors have put us on a tiger and we don't know how to get off. Besides the risks of deflation, any interest rate increases could trigger a collapse in the stock market. Trump is correct. The Fed is totally politicized. And it is exceeding its mandate.

As to looking to the House and Senate, even if Donald Trump has an epiphany and wants to cut spending, do we really have any hope that Mitch McConnell will go along? He already has scheduled votes on the budget post election in the lame-duck time so that he can increase spending.

The GOP controlled Congress has given Obama everything he wants and more. Ryan helped push the Omnibus bill that will increase our debt by trillions. There has not been a single budget under Obama that has been passed according to the prescribed process.

109 posted on 09/28/2016 10:23:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cgbg

True. That`s how I felt. But it seems Trump was looking at this more strategicly and it appears he played it just right. Whenever I feel Trump has made a mistake, 9 times out of 10, he ends up proving me wrong.


110 posted on 09/28/2016 10:23:51 AM PDT by mbrfl
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To: BlueStateRightist

This is a 2 way poll, add a point(at least) as if it were a 4 way poll.


111 posted on 09/28/2016 11:05:38 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: cowboyusa

The ppd daily tracking poll is a 4 way and it shows no change from yesterday’s 2.4 point lead for Trump. However both trump and Hildabeast decreased by the same amount, .4 percent. The poll is here - https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/latest-polls/election-2016/us-presidential-election-daily-tracking-poll/.

So, of the three daily tracking polls, the la times has trump slightly increasing his lead with a decrease in Hildabeast support, the ppd poll shows Trumps lead remaining the same, with a slight equal decrease for both candidates, and the upi c voter daily tracking poll shows Hildabeast with a .17 slight lead, with an increase of .41 for her and .03 for Trump. What does this appear to mean? The debate had little effect on the outcome so far.


112 posted on 09/28/2016 11:46:10 AM PDT by Nicojones
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To: Nicojones

Here is the upi poll if anyone wants to check it out - http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/28/UPICVoter-Hillary-Clinton-regains-slight-lead-in-first-post-debate-poll/8801475069632/.

Of the three daily tracking polls, la times/Dornslife poll is the gold standard, followed by PPD, and then UPI (which cannot compute a margin of error).


113 posted on 09/28/2016 11:53:26 AM PDT by Nicojones
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To: nathanbedford

I think your assessment of what Trump will do is fair, based on his statements and responses.

However, I think there is another interpretation, admittedly unproven, but yet worth considering:

Conservative arguments, when offered straightforwardly, are already paired with ready made liberal rebuttals. The conservative argument is the truth and the rebuttal is a lie, I know. But in real life right doesn’t seem to win over wrong. A rebuttal based on lies often ‘wins’ the argument, the election, the legislation, the verdict.

Case in point:

Conservative argument: Prices (including wages) established by supply and demand in a free competitive market will direct capital toward its optimal use, and result in increased prosperity across all income brackets. As JFK said, “a rising tide raises all ships.” Redistribution of wealth to enforce income equality involves artificially setting prices (including wages) at non market rates, which stifles the flow of capital toward its optimal use, thereby stifling prosperity at all levels.

Liberal rebuttal: This is the same old “trickle down economy” where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The poor are expected to be content with table scraps and drippings. It is a discredited theory invented to justify the suppression of the masses by the wealthy 1%.

So what if the conservative argument is true and the liberal rebuttal is a lie?

In politics, a principled constitutional conservative scholar is never going to get elected by explaining the truth of conservatism. We all know this. There simply aren’t enough intelligent conservative voters.

If you want Clinton to be defeated, you can’t force Trump to say only those things that will please the 5-10% of us who are conservative. You have to let him find creative ways to appeal to another 40 - 45% on some basis or another. There is simply no other choice.

Now, I happen to believe that we are so close to the cliff edge that conservatives always warn about, it is no longer necessary to argue about whether there is a cliff edge, how far away it is, what direction we should go to avoid the cliff edge. The cliff edge is now within view and everyone can see it. Now, you can simply say “Turn around, we have no choice”

That is Trump’s message. “We are at the cliff edge. We must turn around or fall off the cliff!”

It’s a good enough message for this conservative, especially when Clinton, the only other candidate is saying “Forward, full speed ahead!”

I think Trump is a pragmatist, a problem solver. I think conservative policies are the only solutions, and in order to solve our problems, we will have no choice but to employ conservative policies.

But there is nothing that says Trump or those who vote for him have to realize or acknowledge that they are being conservative. I doubt conservatives will ever enjoy that moment of vindication, where everyone says “The conservatives were right all along, we were stupid liberals heading for a cliff edge, now let’s be smart conservatives and go back the other direction”. Please conservatives, teach us more about this wonderful philosophy of yours”.

It will be more like “We have to turn around and go the other way. We have no choice.”

And that sounds a lot like what Trump has been saying.


114 posted on 09/28/2016 12:03:54 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: nathanbedford

Well then, vote for Hillary.


115 posted on 09/28/2016 12:45:07 PM PDT by gogeo (Black Lives Matter to Donald Trump.)
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To: nathanbedford

Oh — IT WILL GROW HUGE!!


116 posted on 09/28/2016 12:51:26 PM PDT by WENDLE (Trump campaign raised $18 million the day after debate!!)
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To: BlueStateRightist

Trump destroyed communist Hillary in the debate

It all comes down to Florida


117 posted on 09/28/2016 12:57:15 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Hillary promised EXECUTIVE amnesty for 40 million illegals in her 1st 100 days as prez)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Hillary is a Communist from the 1960’s . this witch believes all that Marxist bs


118 posted on 09/28/2016 1:00:06 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Hillary promised EXECUTIVE amnesty for 40 million illegals in her 1st 100 days as prez)
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To: InterceptPoint

#2 is a key.

Trump is one in a trillion. Only he knows how to make America great again and fix this mess

Trump knows more about how the world works than anyone.

Trump also mentioned $800 BILLON per year trade deficit $500 billion to China alone and the 20 trillion in debt . Yellen holding interest rates near zero for 8 years.

We are in a bubble economy. The political fed has held interest rates near zero for all of Obama’s term to get Hillary elected . as soon as they raise rates the stock market crashes and bubble deflates. Trump said this in the debate,

All this and more the media nor the politicians ever mention.

Trump destroyed Hillary in the debate.

Undecideds going 3:1 for Trump after the debate

What Trump mentioned in the debate is just the tip of the Iceberg of what Trump knows and I just posted some the things below he said in the debate in my own words. There’s much more in his book link below .

Trump is the only one that understands ALL of these things: How the Political Federal Reserve will crash the stock Market when they raise interest rates they have kept near zero for years to help Obama, China currency devaluation, How NAFTA TPP and gov regulations are sending our companies to other countries as he said last night, and many more things only Trump understands . Trump is one in a trillion.

Re-watch the debate. and :

https://www.amazon.com/Crippled-America-Make-Great-Again/dp/1501137964.


119 posted on 09/28/2016 1:06:32 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Hillary promised EXECUTIVE amnesty for 40 million illegals in her 1st 100 days as prez)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Not quite. The Republic was always a democrat rag, while the Arizona Daily Star was conservative. They merged, and the Republic apparently took over the Star. But the Republic often endorsed democrats, so I think this spin is phoney.
120 posted on 09/28/2016 6:56:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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