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Trump on a Number of Issues is BETTER Than What Passes for Conservatism Today
Conservative HQ ^ | 26 Sep 16 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 09/26/2016 5:19:56 AM PDT by xzins

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To: hawg-farmer - FR..October 1998
Why, when praising Trump, does everyone have to always include their little negative caveats?

I included my caveat to explain why there are degrees of passion for him personally. I don't want to undermine his candidacy, but I do want to be honest about it. I've done the same with all of them.
41 posted on 09/26/2016 7:50:37 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
the first candidate I have heard ho is willing to dump Johnson Rule that muzzles ministers, priests and rabbis.

That turned me definitively in his favor. It may be a small thing to some, but sometimes the small things matter more than what seem to be big things.

42 posted on 09/26/2016 7:57:57 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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To: Lakeshark
I was responding to this post here. That may clarify why I chose the wording I did.

I find Trump to be the candidate I agree with more than any other since Reagan. I support him whole heartedly, without reservation.

I have some reservations on some of his positions, but I still support Trump in November and I will be voting for him. The alternative is too terrible to contemplate.

The way you put it, it sounds like you are holding your nose to vote for him, like we all did for McCain and Romney. I'm curious as to why you implied that, and what reasons you will give for what you said.

"Holding your nose" is your term, not mine. Do I agree with Trump on all things? No. Specifically I don't agree with his promise to leave entitlements untouched, I don't agree with is proposal to replace Obamacare rather than just repeal it, I don't agree with his proposals to cut taxes and increase spending without offsetting spending cuts. But what is the alternative? Increased spending in all areas. Increased taxes. Expanded Obamacare. So given that the choice is a no brainer. I don't view that as "holding my nose". I view that as voting for the better of two candidates.

43 posted on 09/26/2016 8:06:21 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg; xzins
Holding your nose to vote is a term that has been used for a long time, it's not just my term.

I held my nose and voted for McCain and Romney. The alternative was too overwhelmingly nauseating.

Like this article, I have no serious reservations about Trump if he wins, those reservations I have are small. I think he's the best candidate since Reagan.

I mistakenly voted FOR HW and W Bush, now I see them as lesser of two weevils that I should have held my nose for. It's really been since 1984 that I can vote with this kind of overwhelmingly positive reasoning. Pulling the lever for Trump will be easy, I will do it with confidence and peace knowing he should make a great president.

44 posted on 09/26/2016 10:17:57 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. He's not Hillary. I love both these things.)
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To: Lakeshark
Pulling the lever for Trump will be easy, I will do it with confidence and peace knowing he should make a great president.

And I will be voting for Trump in November as well. At the end of the day isn't that all that matters?

45 posted on 09/26/2016 10:27:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
In the end, I'm glad you'll be voting for him, your vote is important.

Fwiw, I think your list of what you say you disagree with in your earlier post is a bit strange:

Specifically I don't agree with his promise to leave entitlements untouched, I don't agree with is proposal to replace Obamacare rather than just repeal it, I don't agree with his proposals to cut taxes and increase spending without offsetting spending cuts.

I'm not certain where you get the idea he will leave entitlements untouched, how in the world replacing Obamacare with an HSA based free market system is bad, and that he isn't going to cut spending anywhere. I don't know where you get those ideas.

Perhaps that's why I'm voting for him enthusiastically. I think if you actually knew his positions on those issues, you would too.

46 posted on 09/26/2016 11:53:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. He's not Hillary. I love both these things.)
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To: Lakeshark
Fwiw, I think your list of what you say you disagree with in your earlier post is a bit strange...

But even with those disagreements I make it clear that I believe Trump is still infinitely preferable to the alternative.

I'm not certain where you get the idea he will leave entitlements untouched...

I get that from Trump himself who has said no cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

...how in the world replacing Obamacare with an HSA based free market system is bad...

Because his plan does nothing. Much of it already exists, at least one of his proposals completely ignores the 10th Amendment, and the rest will do little or nothing to control costs. The only solution is to repeal Obamacare and have the government stay out of it. There is nothing the government can do that won't be A) horribly expensive, and/or B) make matters worse.

... and that he isn't going to cut spending anywhere.

I have yet to see any serious proposals from him outlining where he will cut anything. Right now we have a half-trillion dollar deficit. Trump has proposed large increases in defense and a trillion dollars for infrastructure. Something has to give or we'll be back to the trillion-plus deficits of the Obama years.

I don't know where you get those ideas.

Please show me where I'm wrong. I'm more than willing to learn.

47 posted on 09/26/2016 12:07:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I get that from Trump himself who has said no cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

That's not a full disclosure of all he has said. He has said he is willing to cut if necessary, he has also said he will be able to make a huge difference with getting at waste and fraud. I have heard him discuss these issues with Hannity, I think you are hearing selectively.

Because his plan does nothing. Much of it already exists, at least one of his proposals completely ignores the 10th Amendment, and the rest will do little or nothing to control costs. The only solution is to repeal Obamacare and have the government stay out of it.

You clearly know nothing about his plan if you believe that. Kindly go to his website, you are flat out being misled from what I can see. It's an HSA based free market plan. Inconceivable you don't know that. (I think I can guess who you voted for.)

I have yet to see any serious proposals from him outlining where he will cut anything.

I would prefer he define how he will cut in an official manner as well, but I have heard him discuss different approaches he will make, from using the Penny Plan, to cutting most areas other than medicare and the military. My take is simple, this is a business man who brought virtually ALL of his projects in under budget and on time. I think he will be the most trustworthy of any of our candidates on the policy of cutting spending and meeting budgets. Btw, there was NO OTHER candidate for the nomination that was any better. Just thought you should know, in case that really is an issue that differentiated Trump from others who ran.

48 posted on 09/26/2016 12:45:32 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. He's not Hillary. I love both these things.)
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He has said he is willing to cut if necessary, he has also said he will be able to make a huge difference with getting at waste and fraud.

Tell me one candidate who has not promised to tackle waste and fraud? And how much savings from waste and fraud does Trump plan to reap? It's a meaningless answer to a serious problem. Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are by far the three fastest growing expenditures in government, followed closely by servicing the debt. We are way past the point where "cut, if necessary" is an answer. It is necessary. Something has to be done to rein in costs. For Trump to say he's willing to press on with the status quo is one area I disagree with him on.

You clearly know nothing about his plan if you believe that. Kindly go to his website, you are flat out being misled from what I can see. It's an HSA based free market plan. Inconceivable you don't know that.

I have read it on a number of occasions. Again, tell me where I'm wrong.

(I think I can guess who you voted for.)

I highly doubt that.

...from using the Penny Plan...

Ah yes, the Penny Plan. Cut 1 percent from spending. Except that Trump has said he isn't cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid so no 1% from them. And defense needs to go in the opposite direction rather than cut 1% from them. Can't cut debt spending. Trump has already said he'll increase Homeland Security and Veterans rather than cut. So honestly if you cut all the remaining, non-discretionary spending by 1% per year do you know what you save? About $7 billion dollars. That is not serious.

...to cutting most areas other than medicare and the military.

When he has proposals in that area I promise I'll read them carefully.

My take is simple, this is a business man who brought virtually ALL of his projects in under budget and on time. I think he will be the most trustworthy of any of our candidates on the policy of cutting spending and meeting budgets. Btw, there was NO OTHER candidate for the nomination that was any better. Just thought you should know, in case that really is an issue that differentiated Trump from others who ran.

You remind me of a friend of mine who truly believed that her boyfriend was the most handsome, the most considerate, absolutely the most remarkable partner in all the world. And she couldn't understand why the rest of us, while liking him well enough, didn't completely agree with her.

I honestly don't know what you're looking for. I have said time and again that I'm voting for Trump. I have said that he is, by any measure you care to name, infinitely preferable to Hillary Clinton. I have said he has positions I agree with. What more can I say?

49 posted on 09/26/2016 1:05:36 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I noticed you didn't deal with the most important point, rather you snarked about it, so here it is again: My take is simple, this is a business man who brought virtually ALL of his projects in under budget and on time. I think he will be the most trustworthy of any of our candidates on the policy of cutting spending and meeting budgets.

I can confidently tell you, here is a man who has actual experience in meeting budgets, here is a man who can genuinely deal with fraud and waste, while what you seem to do is want to whine about it.

If you read his plan on healthcare you would not be so ignorant of it.

Yes, I'll be surprised to find you didn't vote for Cruz.

What I'm looking for is simple: A rational discussion with a reasonably well informed person.

50 posted on 09/26/2016 1:18:56 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. He's not Hillary. I love both these things.)
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To: Lakeshark
My take is simple, this is a business man who brought virtually ALL of his projects in under budget and on time. I think he will be the most trustworthy of any of our candidates on the policy of cutting spending and meeting budgets.

OK.

I can confidently tell you, here is a man who has actual experience in meeting budgets, here is a man who can genuinely deal with fraud and waste, while what you seem to do is want to whine about it.

What you call whining I would call looking for answers, explanations, or clarifications. Why is that so wrong?

If you read his plan on healthcare you would not be so ignorant of it.

Third time. I have read it. Pick a point in it and tell me where I'm wrong.

What I'm looking for is simple: A rational discussion with a reasonably well informed person.

No, what you want is someone who looks at Trump with the same level of admiration that you do. Sorry I can't provide it.

51 posted on 09/26/2016 1:25:51 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Cruzer voters (as opposed to those who once supported him), they just love the pretense that they're looking for answers, explanations or clarifications. It's that pretense that's wrong, not actually doing those things.

And no, I don't need to find people that are Trump robots as is the Cruzer take on all of this, but yes, I do expect a rational discussion with a reasonably well informed person. One that I'm not getting here.

Unfortunately, Cruzers (as opposed to Cruz supporters) love the pretense of all that, but really have very little to offer in that regard.

52 posted on 09/26/2016 4:04:38 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. He's not Hillary. I love both these things.)
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To: Lakeshark
One that I'm not getting here.

Nor am I. Enjoy the debate.

53 posted on 09/26/2016 4:16:56 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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