[papertyger]

As a Christian I would say it is forever thus.

Which is why the Lord gave us Lk 16:8. Nevertheless, I don't think "losing" is what He was advocating.

[Pietro]

I have no intention of losing, but as a conservative we need to be clear eyed.

This battle started long before we were here and will continue long after we're dust.

I can't speak for others, but for my house, we will serve the Lord.