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To: TheNext
You hurt children.

Really? Do you have evidence that would stand up in a court of law that I have ever harmed a child? Do not go around accusing people of crimes when you have no evidence that said crimes took place.

You “know” facts to be true in areas of unknowable uncertainty. Vaccines will never be a certain science. Ever. It is innate.

I do not think even you understand what you are trying to say. I'm not going to try to interpret it.

The doctor had his license revoked. The effect is if you research vaccines, then one’s life will be destroyed. Instead, your license should be pulled for an arrogance harmful to children.

Wakefield was not trying to research vaccines. He subjected a few children to dangerous invasive medical procedures. He was not using an approved research protocol. He never consulted an ethics board prior to that "research." The dangerous procedures he inflicted on those children had nothing to do with the testing of vaccine safety, and no child participating in a real vaccine safety trial would ever be subjected to such abusive treatment. His license to practice medicine was pulled for very good cause. I don't know about you, but there is no way I would trust a psychopathic "doctor" who is willing to perform unapproved unethical and dangerous experiments on *my* children.

Fallacy of Authority. I know PhD medical researchers. They could not organise a thought outside of biology. They are whack job liberals sucking on Govt OPM.

Yeah, right. It is a favorite tactic of those trying to argue against science to fall back on claims of logical fallacies when they cannot actually refute any facts. When a bona fide expert makes a statement based on his/her knowledge and experience within their field of expertise, he or she is not, in fact, committing a logical fallacy. Your claim of knowing PhD medical researchers is irrelevant--just because I know veterinarians does not make me an expert in animal health. And your claim that Ph.D. researchers are clueless outside of biology has a rather false ring to it. Stupid people are not accepted into PhD programs. It is also an assumption that most people who work for government are liberal. I have not done a study to determine the breakdown of liberal vs. conservative in government, but I do see plenty of other conservatives every day when I come to work at my government job.

You “feel” for the children. So others should harm their children over your feelings. The problem with science is you are not allowed a single error. And you just had your fallacy.

There is nothing wrong with being motivated by a strong feeling that children should not suffer and die from preventable diseases. And your statement that "science is... not allowed a single error" only shows how profoundly you do not understand the scientific method. Humans are fallible--hence, the effort to incorporate very robust systems of checks and balances into the scientific method. Also, I have no clue what "fallacy" you are going on about--so I must conclude that the "fallacy" is the standard fall-back position of those who cannot refute an argument based on facts.

And since you cannot present any facts to refute the assertion that vaccines save lives, I think there is not much reason to spend more time on this.

Do not take that last statement as an invitation to flood this thread with anti-vax nonsense. Because I feel very strongly that anti-vaxxers are a direct threat to children, I will continue to refute anti-vax propaganda.

37 posted on 08/24/2016 4:01:39 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

Say you’re sorry.

Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine. - PubMed - NCBI

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472327

Anticancer Res. 1999 May-Jun;19(3B):2173-80.
Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine.
Fisher SG1, Weber L, Carbone M.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:

The presence of SV40 in monkey cell cultures used in the preparation of the polio vaccine from 1955 through 1961 is well documented. Investigations have consistently demonstrated the oncogenic behavior of SV40 in animal models. Early epidemiologic studies were inadequate in demonstrating an increase in cancer incidence associated with contaminated vaccine. Recently, investigators have provided persuasive evidence that SV40 is present in human ependymomas, choroid plexus tumors, bone tumors, and mesotheliomas, however, the etiologic role of the virus in tumorigenesis has not been established.
MATERIALS AND METHODS:

Using data from SEER, we analyzed the incidence of brain tumors, bone tumors, and mesotheliomas from 1973-1993 and the possible relationship of these tumors with the administration of the SV40 contaminated vaccine.
RESULTS:

Our analysis indicates increased rates of ependymomas (37%), osteogenic sarcomas (26%), other bone tumors (34%) and mesothelioma (90%) among those in the exposed as compared to the unexposed birth cohort.
CONCLUSIONS:

These data suggest that there may be an increased incidence of certain cancers among the 98 million persons exposed to contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.; further investigations are clearly justified.

PMID:
    10472327

    [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


40 posted on 08/24/2016 11:28:25 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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