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To ID or not to ID?
Townhall.com ^ | August 23, 2016 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 08/23/2016 6:51:21 AM PDT by Kaslin

Every election cycle we must endure challenges and allegations about fraud (conservatives) and discrimination (liberals) when it comes to voter ID laws. This year is no different.

A federal court ruled that the Texas Voter ID law passed in 2011, requiring voters to present official photo identification, discriminated again poor, minority and disabled voters and ordered a judge to approve new interim rules for the Nov. 8 election. The new rules will broaden the list of acceptable forms of ID. Voters will now be able to present, among other things, an expired ID, a government check or a current utility bill. "Supporting documents don't have to have a photo, reports The Austin Chronicle, "but if they happen to, then voters will need to present the original. Otherwise, they can present a copy."

Similar battles over voter identification laws are being waged in other states, notably Wisconsin and North Carolina.

It's worth reviewing the list of the seven forms of identification currently accepted by Texas law -- a Texas driver license issued by the Department of Public Safety (DPS); a Texas election identification card issued by DPS; a personal identification card issued by DPS; a license to carry a handgun issued by DPS; U.S. military identification card containing the person's photo; U.S. citizenship certificate containing the person's photograph; a U.S. passport.

Granted, most poor people are unlikely to have a passport, but the state will issue any legal resident an identification card. Are civil rights groups who sued the state contending that poor and minority people are so inept that they can't apply for an identification card? If that is their position, how are they able to apply for SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistant Program) benefits, which require a photo ID? Why is voting the one category in which you don't have to prove your citizenship and legal residence?

I will answer that question in a moment.

Three years ago during a similar controversy, Ashe Schow of The Washington Examiner compiled a list of 24 things that require a photo ID.

You must have a photo ID if you are 25 or under and wish to purchase alcohol or cigarettes. Store signs say so. Want to open a bank account? Photo ID required. Here are the rest of the categories: applying for welfare, Medicaid and Social Security (presumably poor people take advantage of one or more of these programs); unemployment benefits (ditto); rent/buy a house, or apply for a mortgage; drive/buy/rent a car; get on an airplane; get married; buy a gun; adopt a pet; rent a hotel room; apply for a hunting or fishing license; buy a cellphone; visit a casino; pick up a prescription (or buy restricted over-the-counter medications); donate blood; apply for a license to hold a demonstration; buy an "M"-rated video game; purchase nail polish at CVS.

Again, why is voting placed in a separate category? Why are liberal groups determined to repeal laws requiring proof of citizenship and residence? The answer is found in a definition of the word fraud: "deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage."

Since many poor people are receiving government benefits, they are responsive to Democrats' claims that Republicans want to cut them off, so they had better vote early and vote often, as the saying goes, or else. Notice the left never focuses on emancipating people from poverty. That might make the poor independent of government, which would be intolerable to the left. They need a reliable voting bloc and keeping the poor dependent on government is a modern form of slavery that is cynical in the extreme.

Unless discrimination against an individual can be proved, these voter ID laws should be upheld. Otherwise, expect more votes from dead people, illegal aliens, people with false addresses and even Mickey Mouse. All of these scenarios have occurred in previous elections and are likely to be repeated in this and future ones without proper identification.


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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Found this article from National Review on the Voter ID law in NC being overturned.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438810/north-carolina-voter-id-law-should-be-restored

The appeal to the Supreme Court - I still don’t know what the status of that appeal might be. I will research and find out but maybe others know.


21 posted on 08/23/2016 7:26:45 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Kaslin

Can these poor people get a government check without ID ?
NO

The ONLY reason they want to allow them to vote without one is so they can CHEAT

The Republican party has allowed them to get away with this nonsense for far to long and it is time they started earning their paychecks by putting a stop to it.
The working people of this country are tired of being ripped off by the people we send to represent us .


22 posted on 08/23/2016 7:27:49 AM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: JBW1949; All

I just spoke with the NC Board of Elections. The NC voter ID law will not be in force for the November elections.

Chalk NC up to more voter fraud - same old same old.

The only thing stopping Hitlery in our state will be a massive voter turnout for Trump and volunteers to do poll watching all over the state.

Gotta get moving everyone.


23 posted on 08/23/2016 7:36:22 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: JBW1949

Cooper is a piece of crap in everything...he was none too keen on defending the marriage amendment we PASSED, either.

I hope McCrory mops the floor with him.


24 posted on 08/23/2016 7:38:08 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Kaslin

The US election system is at the very foundation of the strength of this country so who can argue against fair and legal elections except those who need vote fraud to win? The steps needed to ensure a fair and legal election in the US are: a photo ID for every registered voter regardless of ethnicity, for those who are disabled then a proxy voter shall be appointed, no electronic vote or vote counting machines, paper ballots to be marked in ink and inserted into double sealed envelopes only to be opened by the vote counting groups, each voter receives an inked finger after casting their vote, all ballets counted three times by three separate groups of people doing so under lock and key and then the tallies presented to declare the winner. Anything short of these measure proves the propensity of our current corrupted election system.


25 posted on 08/23/2016 7:39:17 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Kaslin
If the fight against requiring voter ID was truly about discrimination against the poor and minorities, the libs would have fired up yet another entitlement program providing IDs to these people. But they haven't done this. Why?

Because it's not about getting the ID-less access to voting. It's about obliterating every safeguard so anyone can go to any precinct any number of times and vote. You know ... fraud.

26 posted on 08/23/2016 7:44:05 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Lera
The ONLY reason they want to allow them to vote without one is so they can CHEAT

Of course, how else are the rats supposed to win an election if they are not allowed to use fraud?

The Republican party has allowed them to get away with this nonsense for far to long

I disagree with that. As long as we do not have the super majority in both houses we have no chance

27 posted on 08/23/2016 7:44:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (He neededAwesomeOf the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: ClearCase_guy
At the very least we should do the purple finger thing

A purple finger won't work with "early voting", absentee voting, or mail-in voting (as in Oregon).

Voting fraud has become a big thing in this country. We need to have voting on one day only and use paper ballots so a recount can be done manually, if necessary. The only exceptions should be servicemen and citizens serving or working overseas who can use absentee ballots.

People should be required to register at their local Board of Elections (in person) at least once every five years and also produce a valid ID. Why not? We require people to show up at the DMV to get their drivers licenses on this same schedule. Poor people somehow manage to show up at the welfare offices regularly. They somehow manage to show up someplace to get their "free" Obama Phones. They get their kids registered in school. They manage trips to stores to get groceries, cigarettes, and liquor. Some even manage to get down to their local pusher for drugs. Why can't they show up at the local Board of Elections too?

Our system is now too open for massive fraud and cheating thanks to the Democrats and their minions who have made voter fraud a massive opportunity for their stealing elections. Allowing massive early voting and voting without a valid ID are perfect recipes for it to continue. That's partly why it is.

28 posted on 08/23/2016 7:51:09 AM PDT by Gritty (Although the mouth belongs to Hillary Clinton, the voice belongs to George Soros-Viktor Orban)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Eye-D-ology

Joel Jackson 'Right and wrong'...

29 posted on 08/23/2016 7:59:54 AM PDT by null and void (Has there ever been a death associated with the Clintons that *wasn't* beneficial to them?)
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To: Kaslin

[[The Republican party has allowed them to get away with this nonsense for far to long

I disagree with that. As long as we do not have the super majority in both houses we have no chance]]

There is where you are wrong .
Lets take Florida for example .
We have a Republican governor and have had a Republican governor for a long time.
We have a photo ID law and must show it to vote.
To get a Drivers License in Florida you need to show your birth certificate, and any papers such a marriage license if your name was ever changed . And those papers better be originals or they won’t accept them .They are photo copied and kept on file.

It has cut down on people showing up to the polls voting for other people and voting multiple times.

We are still plagued with voter fraud that happens at places like nursing homes where people are registered to vote and someone else fills out their ballots and mails them in .

There is no reason anyone not in the military serving elsewhere should have a mail in ballot in this state .

The DNC calls people all the time asking them to vote with these mail in ballots . Why because it also encourages the people who only live here PART of the year to vote here also .

We are still plagued with out and out voter fraud in parts of the state like Palm Beach county . Why because they have not fired all the clerks that allow this to happen election year after election year.

Florida turns blue some election years for NO OTHER REASON than voter fraud .


30 posted on 08/23/2016 8:07:53 AM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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To: Kaslin

Not only ID but do away with early voting, do away with absentee voting with the sol exception of military and dip a figure in an ink pot after voting.


31 posted on 08/23/2016 8:24:32 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella
I disagree with doing away with early voting. Early voting is convenient and nothing wrong with it. I have voted early since it became law here in TN many times

Those that want to commit fraud will go to several voting locations or districts to vote.

I can see doing away with the same day registration as some states allow. If you can't register 3 or 4 month before an election you just have to wait until the next election to vote.

Your idea of doing away with absentee voting is also ridiculous and proves that yo don't know what you are talking about. What if someone is going on trip, business, or otherwise that had been long planned and won't be home on election day, they shouldn't be allowed to vote early, or change their trip plan because you don't like it? How ridiculous.

I do go along with dipping the finger in an ink pot though

32 posted on 08/23/2016 8:43:09 AM PDT by Kaslin (He neededAwesomeOf the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You must FIRST reject & reword the left’s False Premise.
The media is a constant lie of false premise. Reject every statement they say.

So no purple fingers. Instead a middle finger to the media.

The Honest Premise is the Ban on Voter ID violates the poor, disabled & minority with bigoted hatred.


33 posted on 08/23/2016 9:40:08 AM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: Kaslin

Another place you need picture ID: returning items to Wal*Mart.

IMHO, Trump needs to win in November by at least 5-6 points just to negate the effect of RAT fraud. They are experts at it and I suspect they will be out fully prepared to steal the election.

Again IMHO, this election has the potential to make Bush/Gore seem like a walk in the park.


34 posted on 08/23/2016 12:15:57 PM PDT by upchuck (The very worst of Trump is much better than the very best of Killary. Go TRUMP!)
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