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To: HamiltonJay

This business with polling is so stupid. I can’t believe what we are hearing.

We are hearing that major news organizations have changed the methodology of how they compile their polls, and that they have done this to show Hillary is ahead.

Doesn’t manipulating the numbers defeat the whole purpose of polls in the first place?

You could produce a poll tomorrow that shows Hillary ahead 90% to 10%, if it’s done based on bad data. It would be absurd, but the media could produce such a poll.

The purpose of polling is not supposed to be to push certain candidates. But the liberals who run our media apparently can’t resist the idea.


15 posted on 08/01/2016 8:05:03 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Doesn't manipulating the numbers defeat the whole purpose of polls in the first place?

Not when the purpose of polling is to SHAPE opinion, as opposed to measuring it.

34 posted on 08/01/2016 8:46:42 AM PDT by MortMan (Let's call the push for amnesty what it is: Pedrophilia.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Polls only show what they show...

The purpose of a poll is to capture a snapshot of opinion... however if your point is to use polling to influence people that the public feels a different way than base reality, it really isn’t hard to create a poll to give you desired results.

Political campaign internal polls exist so that the campaigns know the state of the race, news organization polling anymore is far more often about being portrayed as an influencer.. for example why are their polls ever taken about support for gay marriage or this or that? WHy? So they can show a support, for the cause... and then attempt to argue that “support” is all that matters, and any and all arguments against it are irrelevant.

I don’t ever doubt a polls outcome is the outcome of their data, but its not very hard to manipulate samples... push polling, question order, question phrasing, sample filtering are all ways to play with outcomes.

For example, why would a poll suddenly start offering NEITHER in their polling questioning? Though its never ever offered it before? Well if they are offering it, and the outcome with NEITHER show a trend that a head to head doesn’t show... the headlines can blare HIllary up 5.... even though the head to head question without neither shows her tied or down a few....

A true poll, does its best to simply capture reality, but any more that is not what they exist for. Internal campaign polling is probably the only polling when it comes to politics that is going to be honest as it can be, because if the polling here is off, it can actually cost someone an election because they make decisions about things based upon them.

I personally find it laughable ANY poll that showed Clinton getting a “bounce” out of her convention... Literally there was nothing that happened in it to give any momentum to her... the first two days the press was all about Bernie and his supporters/DNCLeaks.... and Wednesday was all about Trump and the Email leaks.. Hillary literally got Thursday, if that to be about her at a news cycle level, and I’m sorry but her speech was not a home run, it was at best a solid base hit maybe a ground rule double...Nothing that was going to sway major changes to the dynamics of the race or the electorate.

Dems are in trouble, and the ones that are able to be HONEST with themselves, have known it form the get go... the ones that aren’t, well they are going to just dance as Rome burns around them.


35 posted on 08/01/2016 8:49:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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