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To: Byron_the_Aussie

But their crow won’t translate into a vote. They’re going for Hillary. Krauthammer basically admitted that. But then he once voted for Obama.


31 posted on 08/01/2016 5:06:10 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: miss marmelstein

I dunno, Miss M. Antennae telling me that Never Trumper conviction levels a mile wide, and an inch deep. This whole business of cuck labelling is a doomsday weapon because these people live and die on perception. Michelle Fields thought being a victim would lift her profile. She sold 42 (?) books in the first two weeks after release. Glenn Beck is a leper now. Megyn Kelly, Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan ... Never Trump only works if its principled, or perceived to be principled. Yet none of them are principled.


45 posted on 08/01/2016 5:32:41 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Globalism = Terrorism)
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To: miss marmelstein

Krauthammer did not vote for Obama in either of Obama’s presidential elections, so that leaves Illinois elections. Which of those did Krauthammer vote Obama into?


49 posted on 08/01/2016 5:37:56 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: miss marmelstein
“But their crow won’t translate into a vote. They’re going for Hillary. Krauthammer basically admitted that. But then he once voted for Obama.”

Didn't know that he had voted for Obama. This says several things that we shouldn't ignore. One is that there are ideologues, pragmatists, and the self-interested in media - just like most other realms of society. For some pundits a job is a job, and if being a ‘conservative side’ commentator gets them paid, they will play the role. Don't know if Krauthammer is in this category or not, but I think it's important to remember these distinctions.

Another thing I think it says is that the beliefs, principles, and motivations of those who identify as Republicans or ‘conservatives’, or who consider themselves independents but who have voted for Republicans, are very broad. I think what Trump and this election cycle are making clear is that if you want to attract votes and support from a broad and diverse array of the voting public you have to appeal to those things that are common amongst them - basic beliefs that cross the lines that divide. Trump has done this much better than any other Republican candidate in decades, IMHO.

Similarly, the beliefs, principles, and motivations of those who identify as Democrats or ‘progressives’ are also very broad. IMHO, this election cycle is also showing us that to win democratic and independent voters one has to appeal to ‘basic’ intrinsic principles that are beyond political branding. I think we need to address this issue of 'branding' head-on, and will have to challenge long-held views that democrat and democrat-leaning voters have had - like the idea that the democrats are pro-social justice - and that Republicans are self-interested and/or uneducated bigots who aren't sophisticated enough to even ‘get’ these issues. Trump's approach has challenged the left in ways it has never been challenged before. It's a big topic that could eat up a lot of band-width..

67 posted on 08/01/2016 6:03:40 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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