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What if Obama Is Wrong About Islam
Townhall.com ^ | July 17, 2017 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 07/17/2016 6:26:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

A central tenet of President Obama’s argument regarding our national security is that we should not chastise all Muslims. He repeats often that Islam is a religion of peace. What we need to examine is whether that is just something he states over and over again -- hoping Americans will accept it as fact -- or whether that is actually true.

First, before anyone jumps off the high board let’s determine the parameters. Almost everyone reading this column and/or across the world wants to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. Except, of course, for some wing-nuts: some people who you can never convince of a thing or maybe some Muslims who believe they are directed to violence by their religion or their religious leader.

Next, President Obama has compared Christianity to Islam and gone back to the Crusades or other historical actions for the purpose of drawing comparisons. Others have criticized Islam for the militant actions going back to the 8th century. This is not about that. Likewise, we will not discuss any parts of the Koran to establish a position.

We will only examine the period after World War II. History will tell you that there was some coordination of the Islamic leaders in the Middle East with Hitler and Germany, but the world was at war and most everyone except for the Swiss chose sides.

Two significant actions happened subsequent to 1945:

1. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan (did not take that full name until 1956) was formed by British partition on August 14, 1947. Since that time, Pakistan has had four conventional wars with India. It is constantly on alert with minor skirmishes with India. It has been a questionable friend of the U.S., and its Western provinces are worldwide hot beds of terrorism.

2. In 1948, Ben–Gurion declared the existence of the State of Israel in an area Jews had been living for over 3,000 years. Since that time there have been four major wars, multiple Intifadas, constant military excursions and thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens by Islamic countries and Muslims. Only two Muslim countries have a peace treaty with Israel. The leader of one of those countries, after that peace treaty was agreed to, was assassinated.

And then there is the following:

3. Afghanistan has been in turmoil for over 40 years. Officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was plunged into war after a Communist takeover in 1978. The U.S. backed the anti-Communists to no avail. That led to the Taliban beginning their control of the country in 1994. Other than their totalitarian actions toward the people of Afghanistan, particularly the women, they became a center and training base for worldwide terrorist organizations when the terrorists were not crossing over into neighboring Pakistan. Fifteen years after the U.S. took over the country post 9/11, it remains in turmoil and the murderous Islamic Taliban still roams the countryside.

4. Iran and Iraq are a special case. When they are not wreaking havoc across the globe, they stopped to have a war where they killed an estimated 1.5 million people. One cannot say they were killing Jews or Christians this time because they were killing each other as one side was Sunni and the other Shia Muslims. Someday the rest of us will understand why the difference is worth mass murder. When they were not fighting each other, they were killing or torturing their citizens and restricting their rights.

5. After finishing the murderous Iran-Iraq war, Iraq invaded its neighbor Kuwait where an estimated 4,200 Kuwaitis were killed and their oil fields seriously damaged. The U.S. led a force to take back the country in which there were over 20,000 Iraqi deaths and casualties on the side of the allies.

6. Islamic Syria is a special place where they have a dynasty of butchers, but butchers who use poisonous gas. The anointed son of a mass murderer, in an attempt to hold on to power, has murdered an estimated 250,000 of his own countrymen and ran another few million out of the country. The entire country is a disaster zone.

7. Egypt has a more limited violent history. Nasser led his country in three losing wars against Israel. His successor Sadat led one war before making a peace deal for which he was murdered. His successor, Mubarak, murdered thousands to stay in power. But he was a prince compared to the Muslim Brotherhood who succeeded him and installed a totalitarian government. Sisi then overthrew this group in a coup d’état. Finally, an Egyptian leader acknowledges there is a problem in Islam and calls for a reformation. The call for reformation would cause him to be called a moderate by most, but Obama has dissed him at every turn.

8. Libya features the history of Muammar Gaddafi who took over in a military coup d’état. Murder, recriminations, weapons of mass destruction, the death of Gaddafi and then a failed state where Americans were murdered. The country is currently a mess with ISIS terrorists roaming freely.

9. Of the estimated 60 terrorist groups on the U.S. State Department watch list, about five are not Islamic. A couple notable exceptions are the FARC in Colombia and the IRA in Ireland. The terrorists murdering people all over the world are led by those groups in the Terrorist Hall of Fame like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban and now the hot new murderers, ISIS. There are so many that splinter groups have splinter groups. Boko Haram has murdered more than 20,000.

10. In most Islamic countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa, Jews have been run out of the country and Christians are being either run out of the country or murdered.

11. If Islam is truly a religion of peace why are there so many violent attacks in the name of Islam during the holiday of Ramadan, which is one of the five pillars of Islam?

I could go on, but let’s focus for a moment on what is good in the Muslim world. There is Sisi in Egypt. There is the ever-wonderful King Abdullah II of Jordan. When you visit the U.A.E. you leave thinking if the Arab world were all like this, the world would be a vastly-nicer place to live. There appears to be a sign of moderation and actual democracy breaking out in Tunisia -- none of which was effected by the policies of the U.S. or Obama administration.

No one would make the case that all Muslims in the world are evil or murderers. That is another straw man that Obama creates to make his argument. What we would like to see is Obama actually make the case with bullet point examples supporting his assertion that Islam is a religion of peace.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: barack0bama; islam; middleeast; radicalislam
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To: Travis McGee

He is consciously and consistently wrong about the religion he has wholly embraced with every fiber of his being. The fact that he can’t mentally, constructively, or vocally repudiate it means hundreds of thousands of people will die over the next years while he blithely gives speeches, plays golf,and sucks the government teet post-presidency.


21 posted on 07/17/2016 6:48:38 AM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: Kaslin

This is a war between civilizations.

As long as technological progress never moved beyond muzzle loaders and crude agriculture, the Muslim civilization had some advantages and won more than it lost.

Muslim civilization has been falling behind since the reformation/renaissance, which were co-dependent on each other.

Muslims have attempted to assert dominance about every hundred years since then. Western (Christian) civilization has soundly defeated them each time, and they have lost territory each time.

The last time was roughly 1900 - 1918. Muslims lost the River war, then chose the wrong side in the First World War.

It has been a hundred years, they have forgotten the lessons of the Mahdi in the Sudan and of Attaturk.

We need to teach them over again and reduce their power yet again.


22 posted on 07/17/2016 6:52:31 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Travis McGee
IF ???The paper Obama doesn't read....or need to.
23 posted on 07/17/2016 6:53:17 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Kaslin
The writer seems to have forgotten history - Islam was born in death and blood. Mohammad set the standard for murder of captives by personally beheading them. It is in his footsteps that all muslims aspire to walk.

If that is not enough, then consider the first hundred years of Islamic war by the Varsity led by Mohammad and his disciples that utterly destroyed classical western civilization, burned, destroyed, looted, and raped across northern Africa, southern Europe and central India.

What items remain from classical western civilization are only those that were hidden, too difficult to destroy, or were used by individual muslims for there own purposes and thus preserved.

Classical Christianity suffered the same fate and only parts and pieces were left for the formation of the Church.

And of course, Islam introduced the world to slavery of the most vile sort, a practice which continues to this day.

They also completely destroyed the millennial old grain basket of the world by introducing vast herds of goats to denude the North African coast of vegetation, changing the area and climate to as semi-arid place were few wish to live.

0bama is not only wrong but is deliberately so. The gullible, mayfly-minded, poorly educated public have only time for appearances and headlines before heading off to the next live distraction. He tells them to go back to sleep while Islam creeps into every town and city waiting until the time is right to murder and rape, forcing the locals to conform to it, never assimilating, always the victim of something, lying to gain acceptance, to perpetuate the myth Islam began: that Christianity and Islam are the same.

Give Islam a chance and you will be eaten alive ...
Mohammed & Charlemagne Revisited: The Epilogue > Emmet Scott

24 posted on 07/17/2016 6:54:35 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Kaslin

He’s one of them; case closed.


25 posted on 07/17/2016 6:54:39 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kaslin

Bookmark


26 posted on 07/17/2016 6:56:25 AM PDT by corlorde
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To: marktwain

Muslims never had a civilization, just parts and pieces stolen from those they murdered and so conquered. The only invention attributed to them is the invention by some Palestinian of the cell phone bomb - all else is taqyyia.


27 posted on 07/17/2016 6:58:23 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Kaslin

We have over 1400 years of history. Why is there any need to review anything about them, haven’t they made their case. Everything we need to know about them was revealed once more on 9/11. Why is there any controversy?

Started by killing off a whole town and haven’t let up since. The only good ones are the dead ones.


28 posted on 07/17/2016 6:59:00 AM PDT by JayAr36 (GOPe is really worried they will lose their gravy train)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t think Obama will give up Islam.


29 posted on 07/17/2016 7:20:34 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Kaslin

An Islamic reformation must take pkace aling with the West waking up, particularly Americans.


30 posted on 07/17/2016 7:24:52 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Kaslin

Don’t even get me started.....


31 posted on 07/17/2016 7:25:49 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ("And, if you're not queen, my dear, think you that you're wronged?)
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To: Kaslin

“... make the case with bullet points.”

The case has been made “with bullet points” since Black September.


32 posted on 07/17/2016 7:27:10 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Kaslin

Case made and proved with facts. Good posting.


33 posted on 07/17/2016 7:29:40 AM PDT by ncfool (Can America wait til 2016? or will it be to late to save the USA?)
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To: Kaslin

And of the 1.2 billion Muzzies in the world it is estimated 95% are “peaceful”, or harmless, leaving 5% times 1.2 billion or 60 million to drive weaponized ice cream trucks. Newt got it right - there should be a test for the ones here. I lived with those bastards in Afghanistan for 2 1/2 years - I was made to observe Ramadan, among other things, including mocking me for being a Christian.


34 posted on 07/17/2016 7:34:37 AM PDT by quantumman
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To: Kaslin

What about Sura 9.5, The Sura of the Sword? The Koran commands that muslims kill infidels. That does not sound so nice and peaceful!


35 posted on 07/17/2016 7:40:56 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama have used this Coup in Turkey to supply Nukes to Iran and Turkey


36 posted on 07/17/2016 7:41:20 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Kaslin

This is like saying as long as there is ONE peaceful moderate Muslim we can’t condemn a whole religion or people.

YES WE CAN! and SHOULD.

Why did we react so negatively against Japan when they attacked Pearl Harbor? I mean it was just the “radical” Japanese navy that attacked us. The Japanese “people” didn’t attack us. The moderate, peaceful Japanese were not to blame. /s

We declared WAR on ALL of Japan. Including their people. We rounded up Japanese Americans and put them in camps. We should do this with Muslims today.

Why? Because we were not a bunch of pansies, girly men, politically correct, impotent, eunuchs. We had REAL men as leaders. Patriots.

AMERICA FIRST.

“America”

My country, ’tis of thee,
Sweet land of liberty,
Of thee I sing;
Land where my fathers died,
Land of the Pilgrims’ Pride,
From every mountain side
Let freedom ring.

My native country, thee,
Land of the noble, free,
Thy name I love;
I love thy rocks and rills,
Thy woods and templed hills,
My heart with rapture thrills,
Like that above.

Let music swell the breeze,
And ring from all the trees
Sweet freedom’s song;
Let mortal tongues awake,
Let all that breathe partake,
Let rocks their silence break,
The sound prolong.

Our fathers’ God, to Thee,
Author of liberty,
To Thee we sing;
Long may our land be bright,
With freedom’s holy light,
Protect us by Thy might,
Great God, our King.

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/art-music-and-film/resources/my-country-%E2%80%99tis-thee


37 posted on 07/17/2016 8:05:03 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Kaslin

ask judge nap!
Is ever evil not evil!!!!!!!!!!
get it now, or forever...............................


38 posted on 07/17/2016 8:09:09 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Kaslin

Big Ears doesn’t care Soetoro and has family are protected. Wait until one of his Daughters get raped by one of those ragheads/illegals and see what happens. Yeah I know they have to get by SS.


39 posted on 07/17/2016 8:09:33 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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To: Kaslin

If?


40 posted on 07/17/2016 8:12:37 AM PDT by Brilliant
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