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To: PeaRidge
I would think even rockrr and the rest would get fed up at some point.

Are you kidding? They are cheer leading his stream of obfuscation. "Way to Go BroJoeK!" "You really showed them with that message!"

I've been thinking that this business of using words to explain things to them is a waste of time. It lets the subject get diverted to side issues all too easily. I think pictures, especially moving pictures would make the point clearer.

Unfortunately it's a lot of work to create the sort of moving pictures I have in mind, but I'm thinking i'll have to knuckle down and do it anyways one of these days.

1,365 posted on 10/07/2016 1:21:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I knew Ed Wood - you’re no Ed Wood.


1,366 posted on 10/07/2016 1:30:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Kettel’s book has lots of data not commonly found or quoted, that could be a good source for you.
1,369 posted on 10/07/2016 1:51:40 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: DiogenesLamp; rustbucket; All
While our friends are finding it necessary to research old newspapers to verify what is posted here...then let's give them some more to keep them happy:

“The affair at Fort Sumter, it seems to us, has been planned as a means by which the war feeling at the North should be intensified, and the administration thus receive popular support for its policy.... If the armament which lay outside the harbor, while the fort was being battered to pieces [the US ship The Harriet Lane, and seven other reinforcement ships], had been designed for the relief of Major Anderson, it certainly would have made a show of fulfilling its mission. But it seems plain to us that no such design was had. The administration, virtually, to use a homely illustration, stood at Sumter like a boy with a chip on his shoulder, daring his antagonist to knock it off. The Carolinians have knocked off the chip. War is inaugurated, and the design of the administration accomplished.” ~ The Buffalo Daily Courier, April 16, 1861.

“We have no doubt, and all the circumstances prove, that it was a cunningly devised scheme, contrived with all due attention to scenic display and intended to arouse, and, if possible, exasperate the northern people against the South.... We venture to say a more gigantic conspiracy against the principles of human liberty and freedom has never been concocted. Who but a fiend could have thought of sacrificing the gallant Major Anderson and his little band in order to carry out a political game? Yet there he was compelled to stand for thirty-six hours amid a torrent of fire and shell, while the fleet sent to assist him, coolly looked at his flag of distress and moved not to his assistance! Why did they not? Perhaps the archives in Washington will yet tell the tale of this strange proceeding.... Pause then, and consider before you endorse these mad men who are now, under pretense of preserving the Union, doing the very thing that must forever divide it.” ~ The New York Evening Day-Book, April 17, 1861..

“You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail ; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. “ Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Gustavus Fox, May 1, 1861.

1,395 posted on 10/11/2016 7:43:27 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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