Posted on 06/16/2016 9:12:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
James Sanders was the first investigative reporter to get beyond the TWA 800 press releases issued by the FBI. He paid a high price for doing so. If Sanders seems a bit cynical, the reader will soon understand why. -- Jack Cashill
America’s citizens must learn the truth: Reality is what remains after federal propagandists interpret fact. This is an absolute truth for citizens living in a failed republic -- including the United States in 2016.
I’m a medically retired police officer from southern California with more than thirty years experience investigating federal lawlessness buried within the National Archives storage boxes and the Freedom of Information Act. In my investigation of TWA Flight 800 among other incidents, I discovered that the greater story was the fall of the American Republic.
Over the decades it became abundantly evident the federal National Security State does not care what the law states. It will fight to keep the worst sins classified even though the law says documents classified secret and more than fifty years old must be declassified with only two very narrow exceptions: weapons of mass destruction and the name of a source.
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I have no idea. I got that info from a chart comparing MANPADs on Wikipedia. The row was labeled “Maximum range”.
I gave up that particular missile as the culprit, since another poster pointed out that the altitude capability was different than “range”. Stingers were meant to hit targets at less than 10,000 feet altitude, and from what I’ve researched tonight, TWA Flight 800 was at a little over 13,000 feet when it exploded.
I still tend to believe more than 100 witnesses to the event as opposed to Clinton lackeys.
Also, like I said earlier, the incident follows a pattern from a book that Muslim terrorists seem to have been using as a playbook: “The Turner Diaries”.
I would have never known about that book, which is basically a white supremacist screed, if the mainstream media had not mentioned it as inspiration for Timothy McVeigh’s Oklahoma City truck bomb attack. That bombing echoed the first WTC attack by Muslims, which follows an attack in the book almost to the letter.
The last attack in the book, by the way, is a suicide plane crash into the Pentagon. Familiar, huh?
At least one of the witnesses mentioned a CNN video depicting that.
Maybe it’s like that few minutes of video of Jen Psaki.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmELuyudGLQ
Sorry to jump in but you said impeachable and illegal orders when talking about the bent one. Made me laugh out loud.
Anyway, what you are also reading is a story about someone who was involved who has discussed the investigation with their friends. Dude, it is hard to make a living and whistle blowers like Snowden who are distroyed, threatened, and live in fear of their life being ended serve as an example of why people do not talk.
People like to eat and have a place to live and be able to support their family. Any kind of public crossing of the government will get you screwed to the wall.
Missiles these days all have solid rocket motors. The motor continues to burn until it has exhausted its fuel or if it hits something then the fuel will explode or burn. If the missile has a proximity fuse and the warhead explodes, the solid fuel still burns or explodes as well. The solid motor explodes because the collision or warhead detonation will damage the solid motor so that the burn rate increases thus the explosion. Even after previewing this it sounds confusing but I'm tired and too lazy to improve the writing.
I agree, but we have to remember that a whistle blower helped bring down a sitting President, Nixon. If we have/had a President who has/is done/doing something illegal I would hope that someone would have the cajones to reveal the treachery even he/she has to do so behind a veil of secrecy.
EVERYBODY...
Here’s a documentary that Jack Cashill and James Sanders put together. It’s about an hour long, ignore the editorializing and focus on the raw evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umn4nsNN2E
Three or so years ago, “Kelly Files” on Fox had the producer of the documentary on with James Kallstrom (by phone), both being interviewed about the case.
Kallstrom was the head over the FBI during the Clinton Administration and oversaw the investigation that the NTSB was supposed to do the legwork on. He said something pretty damning on the show (paraphrasing here):
“These NTSB guys should have been men and brought their complaints to me, instead of waiting until their pensions were safe and secure.”
That sounds like there was at least an implicit, if not outright, threat made against any dissenters during the investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg0vN1j_Q0A
On July 17, 1996, I was working to get the new Beach Lane Bridge in Westhampton ready to open. The bridge crosses the narrow inland waterway and connects the mainland with a small strip of beach beyond.As a millwright tradesman, I had been working all day in the mechanical room of the bridge. A little before 8:30 p.m. that night, I surfaced to get some air. I was talking to one of the many men working with me when I saw what looked like a cheap firework rising from beyond the houses along the beach. This wasn’t out of the ordinary for a summer weekday so close to the 4th of July.
I watched as the sparkling white light zigzagged southeast away from shore at about a 40-degree angle. At its peak, it arched over and disappeared. Then I saw what appeared to be an explosion, it expanded into a large fireball, and then I watched the aircraft in flames descend from the fireball and fall to the sea, breaking up as it fell.
Basically, people come forward and are destroyed. Period. They are written off as crazy, confronted with plea deals that they take because two years is better than life and they cannot afford the lawyers.
Sadly, government protects itself very well. DC is like the Aegean stables. I doubt that anyone will clean it. Let's consider HRCs mail server. Benghazi. 0’s “education” family, religion. The media are in government’s pocket and people who try to call out the hypocrisy are pilloried. Who has twenty years to piss away trying to clear their name? People that get all pissy about Snowden are examples of ... well. Poor guy was an idealist.
I worked in DC for 17 years. I understand. Perhaps I too am too much of an idealist. I’ve seen too many films where the little guy brings down the big criminal.
Mike Wire was not necessarily the “top witness for the people who believe the government is lying”. He was the one whose testimony was altered a great deal to fit the CIA story and animation.
Fred Meyer probably had the best view of the entire incident.
Start at 6:15 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4VaRGqJZ_I
Here’s a more recent interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNT7EQObFnA
Whether the missile has a solid fuel motor or not isn’t the point. In many cases, the missile has a boost motor to get it off the launcher and rapidly accelerate the missile. This motor will burn out and a sustain motor will continue to power the missile. Eventually, this motor will also burn out. The missile will continue to fly and can be further guided to the target.
The point is this. If the missile sustain motor burns out significantly below 13,000 feet, then no one saw a streak fly all the way up to the 747.
Any incremental increase in lethality due to unburned propellant is not likely to be significant. I don’t know of any air defense system that has a design requirement for unburned propellant at intercept.
angryoldfatman wrote: “I have no idea. I got that info from a chart comparing MANPADs on Wikipedia. The row was labeled “Maximum range”.”
I saw that too. I’m fairly sure they’re talking about launch range. 26,000 feet just doesn’t match a maximum altitude of 13,000 feet. Maximum intercept range usually looks very much like an inverted and slightly squashed hemisphere.
That's not how the missile works unless the target is stationary. Once the motor burns out drag takes over and without thrust the missile head either explodes (if designed to do so) or the missile falls back to earth. Once the missile burns out it falls back to earth on a ballistic trajectory. The fins on the missile are used to maneuver the missile while thrusting. They are not wings. Once the missile burns out it no longer has lift.
Old Russian Proverb: “Two people can keep a secret.... if one is deaf, dumb and blind.... or dead!”
Two othet items from that theory.
They try to point out that there was a Military Warning Zone in that area,,, and try to use that as proof.
Problem is, that WA had been on the FAA charts for 20 years. It’s where Grumman did the high speed runs testing the F-14s as they came off the production line at Calverton.
Secondly, had the so called missile missed, it would have continued north and impacted in Connecticut.
Would have disturbed the polo ponies, you know !
Sounds like Viking proverb.
One can keep a secret, two rarely can keep it for long,
Three, the whole village already knows.
Fred Meyer probably had the best view of the entire incident.
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Myer was probably 14 miles away. Mike Wire was around 11 miles away. They were almost on an identical line of sight. I can believe they saw what they say, but I disagree with their interpretations. Myer is inconsistent with his testimony, one time saying he saw 4 ordnance explosions and another time saying he saw 2 ordnance explosions, and concluding himself that would imply two missiles. If he saw 4 ordnance explosions then that would imply 4 missiles. However, he saw only one vapor trial. Mike Wire said he saw only one “firework.” Wire heard four explosions. Myer couldn’t hear anything due to hearing protection he wore.
They both seem to be saying the aircraft came straight down after the final “non-ordnance” fireball. However we know from the debris field that the back end of the aircraft did not come straight down. It kept flying and came down further east than the nose section.
The only logical conclusion is they saw the back half of the plane continuing to fly and breaking apart, and finally dropping straight down. That’s also the conclusion of the NTSB, FBI, and CIA.
Purdue77 wrote: “That’s not how the missile works unless the target is stationary. Once the motor burns out drag takes over and without thrust the missile head either explodes (if designed to do so) or the missile falls back to earth. Once the missile burns out it falls back to earth on a ballistic trajectory. The fins on the missile are used to maneuver the missile while thrusting. They are not wings. Once the missile burns out it no longer has lift.”
I do not know of any air defense missile that ‘explodes’ it’s warhead at sustainer motor burn out. Nor does it just “fall back to earth”. The missile will still be supersonic at burnout and capable of executing additional maneuvers. The fins do not require thrust to maneuver the missile, they require airflow over their surfaces. Lift is also caused by airflow and as long as the missile is moving through the air it will have “lift”.
BTW, I have an aerospace engineering degree and spent almost fifty years in missile development.
Also, I don't know what your definition of "lift" is, but the rocket body like the fuselage of an airplane produces negligible lift unless it is a flying wing.
BTW: my aerospace engineering degree was in space launch vehicle design and solid rocket motors.
The only logical conclusion is they saw the back half of the plane continuing to fly and breaking apart, and finally dropping straight down. That’s also the conclusion of the NTSB, FBI, and CIA.
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There are literally hundreds of other witnesses who corroborate the stories told by the closest witnesses.
The CIA shouldn’t have been involved if this was a mechanical failure.
The FBI should have backed off once mechanical failure was nailed down as the cause.
The NTSB has whistleblowers who have ratted out Kallstrom’s FBI as doing improper and inappropriate things. Whistleblowers, I might add, that Kallstrom has ridiculed as not being “real men” who came to him while their government pensions could be taken away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg0vN1j_Q0A
I choose to believe the witnesses. If you want to try and discredit over 500 people and accept the government agencies’ stories, then I can’t convince you otherwise; vaya con Dios.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umn4nsNN2E
We’re not talking about Alex Jones and “Loose Change” here. Cashill and Sanders are NOT saying that the witnesses saw a bunch of holograms and controlled demolitions and other stupid Truther garbage. They are saying that what was seen by hundreds of people that night near Long Island was indeed exactly what they say they saw.
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