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Prager: A Response to My Conservative #NeverTrump Friends
Truthrevolt.org ^ | 5-24-2016 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 05/24/2016 7:37:22 AM PDT by servo1969

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To: Ann Archy

“he would NEVER compare ANYONE with Hitler.”

He just did.

He’s inferring that America’s current “difficult” choice between Trump and Hillary is much like our previous “difficult” choice between Staling and Hitler.

It’s right there, in the article. Which I read.


41 posted on 05/24/2016 9:43:46 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: Tax-chick

Good thoughts. Perfection eludes all of us, and even Trump’s supporters understand that he most probably won’t be able to accomplish all that he envisions. But the alternative is forcing us to choose sides, and there it is. What has been fueling the fights here on FR is that given the now-recognized inevitability of this choice, those who supported Trump on FR because they had the instincts to see who could best win the nomination and the general have resented being called immoral (not by you, FRiend). I think Prager’s examples above of persons making seemingly immoral choices in a “lesser evil” situation have answered those charges.


42 posted on 05/24/2016 9:50:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell)
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To: servo1969

#Never Trump is about EGO, not principals.

Sins of omission are still sins.

Trump or Clinton will be President. If you really believe Conservative principals, you have a choice between Trump who is, at worst, partially on your side and Clinton who is completely against you.

#Never Trump is about ego driven media children who are getting an education that they are not so big and influential “opinion sharpers” as they thought they were.


43 posted on 05/24/2016 9:59:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: bigbob

What astounds me about these people is that THEY ALL were FIRMLY behind MITTENS and McLaim two f the MOST LIBERAL BASTARDS on the planet in the Pubbie Party!!!!’


44 posted on 05/24/2016 10:02:50 AM PDT by Kit cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yes, a lot of people have called others a lot of names and made sweeping judgments of a sort that surprised me, even after all these years. I’m much more of a, “I disagree with (point) because (reason),” person.

I agree with Prager on his main points. However, I also agree with Jonah Goldberg that the idea that his (Jonah’s) non-vote will decide the election is simply magical thinking.


45 posted on 05/24/2016 10:11:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We like us the way we are. That makes us real, true friends." ~ The Undead Thread)
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To: Tax-chick

Your reasonableness and advanced ability to debate instead of flame is one of the many reasons I “identity” as your FRiend!


46 posted on 05/24/2016 10:15:55 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell)
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To: Albion Wilde

Why, thank you! I always appreciate dialog with you, too!

I get a little rude sometimes, but I make sure it’s toward the subjects of the news (Hillary Clinton, for example) rather than the poster. I also try to evaluate an article on its own merits, rather than disagreeing with the author about one thing and therefore writing off his lifetime output.


47 posted on 05/24/2016 10:22:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We like us the way we are. That makes us real, true friends." ~ The Undead Thread)
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To: Cboldt

I presume his position is, then, that use of the A-bomb was “not moral purity” either. Not to draw equivalence, by the way, but he argues that the morality of an action can depend on circumstances (e.g., between two bad choices, or do a bad thing for a good end), and that dropping the A-bombs on Japan was moral, period.


If that is indeed Prager.s moral principle, he is on the side of those who have done great harm in history.

To choose a bad thing for a good end is Consequentialism. The end justifies any means. Such moral thinking wreaks great suffering ultimately. The human mind is not capable of foreseeing all consequences of most actions. That is why the moral system of admitting intrinsic evils has produced healthy societies.

That is not the case between Donald and Hillary. This is a choice between better and worst. Donald is better than Hillary. Hillary is the absolute worst.

No contest. Vote Trump even though he is not the perfect candidate.


48 posted on 05/24/2016 10:24:32 AM PDT by amihow (lT)
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To: Tax-chick

Role model. Wish more newbie posters (and quite a few old ones) would use your criteria.


49 posted on 05/24/2016 10:28:30 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell)
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To: Albion Wilde

I just don’t like conflict ;-).


50 posted on 05/24/2016 10:31:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We like us the way we are. That makes us real, true friends." ~ The Undead Thread)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Bret Stephens and George Will

These are not conservatives, they are propagandists for the Cheap Labor Express

Their rejection of the Trump Express notwithstanding, the authors cited have a long-term well established record as political, social, and fiscal conservatives. You are entitled to your derisive opinion of them based on their opposition to Trump; but your contempt for them does not diminish their solid record as conservative columnists and thinkers.

Prager's analysis and argument is spot-on, and he makes very good points. I intend to vote for the republican candidate in every single race on the ballot below the presidential ticket, and I will definitely NOT vote for the democrat candidate. At this point I am undecided as to whether I will vote for the libertarian candidate or for the democrat running as a republican in the presidential race. In Texas, I can't see Trump being so dreadfully horrible as to lose the race to Hillary, so my protest vote for a more conservative libertarian candidate couldn't possibly be the same thing as a vote for Hillary. And if Trump were to somehow lose Texas to Hillary with or without my vote then we are so far gone that what difference at this point does it make anyway.

51 posted on 05/24/2016 11:18:21 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: servo1969
These elites who think they're the gatekeepers of the Presidency are going to find out that their opinions just flat-out don't matter.

The People are going to speak quite loudly this November, so the William Krystols of the world can just stick that in their pipe and smoke it.

These idiots don't control us.

I'm surprised that they entertained the notion that they ever did.

It's wonderful to see them losing their grip on the control they think they exercised.

They exist to report on the world as it is, not to tell us how we should make it.

In their arrogance, they've lost track of their subordinate role.

I pray to God that this Revolution succeeds so that these Uniparty elites can be permanently disabused of the notion that they rule over us.

They prosper at our pleasure, not the other way around.

Vote Trump!

52 posted on 05/24/2016 11:27:23 AM PDT by sargon (You're either with Trump, or you're with Hillary.)
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To: servo1969
For these reasons, I, unlike my friends, could not live with my conscience if I voted to help the America-destroying left win the presidency in any way.

No wonder we have only one party! We have a whole majority full of guys in Congress that are hell-bent on doing the same destroying. But we had to vote for them because otherwise the other side would have won.

Deface the political currency!

53 posted on 05/24/2016 11:37:15 AM PDT by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: Tax-chick
I agree, in general. I will vote for Trump, with a shrug ... which is pretty much how I feel about all the candidates this year. I don’t even care that much about my State Rep anymore...

I care more than ever. I hate losing. I purpose to fight harder.

My Congressman has an inexcusably lousy 49% CR Liberty rating. Why didn't somebody, anybody primary him? What did I do to help that happen?

FReeper: fivetoes - Tom Buchanan, Dec 2001, It's All My Fault - he passed away in March.

54 posted on 05/24/2016 11:48:08 AM PDT by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: VRWCmember; Lurkinanloomin
" the authors cited have a long-term well established record as political, social, and fiscal conservatives neoconservative catbirds posing as conservatives to promote their own agenda."
55 posted on 05/24/2016 12:14:29 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Pelham

Well said.

Will, Shapiro and the rest of the NeverTrump pundits are the enemy within. The long years of fraudulent conservative noises aren’t a badge of honor. Whatever they once were, they are poison now.


56 posted on 05/24/2016 12:55:49 PM PDT by M1911A1 (It would have been Hillary vs. Jeb! with no Trump in the race.)
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To: servo1969

They seem to really fear this “nativism” they speak of so frequently.

Wonder why that is?


57 posted on 05/24/2016 1:01:58 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: The Toll; servo1969

“They seem to really fear this “nativism” they speak of so frequently. Wonder why that is?”

Because they aren’t patriots. They are court-followers seeking influence and prestige.

In the Revolution they would have been loyal to King George.


58 posted on 05/24/2016 1:04:25 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
These are not conservatives

Ben Shapiro is a conservative.

59 posted on 05/24/2016 5:11:01 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
"Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Bret Stephens and George Will"

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These are not conservatives, they are propagandists for the Cheap Labor Express

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Yes, but more importantly for us, they are simply positioning themselves for the next four years of a Trump presidency, as to who can grab the most money heel-biting Trump, only after we spend the first 100 days hearing their lamentations, and their beating of empty tubs, as to which of them tried the hardest to stop Trump.

The thing to do is to starve GoldbergKristolShapiroStephensWill of money. Tell their advertisers directly and explicitly why you are refusing to patronize them any further. In Will's and Kristol's case, enough blowback may be enough encouragement to retire several of these neocon RINOs.

60 posted on 05/24/2016 5:38:38 PM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Too bad your overhauled unicorn start-up failed, Ted.")
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