Britain's vast new aircraft carriers will make enemies 'think twice' about starting war

The Telegraph, U.K. ^ | May 20, 2016 | Ben Farmer

[Jeff Head]

See my post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3432390/posts?page=40#40

[az_gila]

Interesting. Seems that a few years ago, they were mothballing equipment due to money shortages.

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Make work money for the union ship-builders, mainly in Scotland.

[Mariner]

"But, in an effort to save a little money (relatively speaking) they are building large 67,000 ton aircraft carriers that have been needlessly hobbled in terms of their own situational awareness, self-protection, and strike capabilities."

In the modern era, Carriers require a fast, capable picket line of Aegis destroyers...nuke subs...and back-up carriers.

Or, they must be relegated to being part of a US Navy Carrier Battle Group.

I don't believe Britain has sufficient surface and sub-surface assets to protect these ships operating independently. I would like to be wrong, but don't think I am.

[Jeff Head]

The Royal Navy's Type 45 Daring destroyers are VERY capable multi-role anti-air destroyers with capabilities close to equal to any Burke destroyer...their missiles lack the range of the really Long Range standards, and their magazine is smaller (48 missiles) but other than that...they are very capable and strong.

In addition, they have been integrated into the US Navy's CSG defense program:

Their Astute SSNs are on par with our Virginia class too.

Problem is, they only have about sixe of each.

Probably enough to provide two Type 45s and one Astute for any one of their carriers deployed.

[duckworth]

Ok, so I looked at the skateboard ramp. Looks about 10 feet high. So the difference is the the plane will leave the deck ten feet higher off the water than a plane leaving a flat surface. So what? Seems that going up the ramp would slow the plane down a bit. I don’t get the purpose of the ramp.

[duckworth]

Ok, so I looked at the skateboard ramp. Looks about 10 feet high. So the difference is the the plane will leave the deck ten feet higher off the water than a plane leaving a flat surface. So what? Seems that going up the ramp would slow the plane down a bit. I don’t get the purpose of the ramp.

[CodeToad]

They’ll be flying the ISIS flag inside 3 years.

[Mariner]

"Problem is, they only have about sixe of each. "

Thus my comment about sufficient assets.

They have good tech, good history and knowledge...but no ship building program to speak of.

Truly sad given their history.

[Jeff Head]

Yep.

The Royal Navy should have 12 of each (the Darings and the Astutes). But they do not.

Just the same, if needed, I do believe that they could get one of their carriers out and sufficiently protected for strike at sea or ground support operations.

If they wanted to do both (assuming both were available) one of them would most certainly have to buddy up with a US Navy CBG.

[glorgau]

10 feet higher and at an increased angle.

[Oztrich Boy]

Ok, so I looked at the skateboard ramp. Looks about 10 feet high. So the difference is the the plane will leave the deck ten feet higher off the water than a plane leaving a flat surface. So what? Seems that going up the ramp would slow the plane down a bit. I don’t get the purpose of the ramp

10 foot higher and with a vertical velocity component. So it is now flying a semi-ballistic path even without full wing support. It gives 1-2 seconds before it starts descending - enough to accelerate from 85 to 170 knots and full wing supported flying