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America's sniveling disgrace is sorry that the bomb saved one million Allied casualties and the lives of another 4-5 million Japanese by bringing an end to the war that Japan started ... and he is completely committed to non-proliferation ... except for when it comes to giving nukes to Iran and other Muzzie fanatics!

1 posted on 05/10/2016 9:34:31 AM PDT by Zakeet
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Read a little Japanese history and you’ll wonder why we didn’t drop more bombs on them.


60 posted on 05/10/2016 9:51:25 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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This is the cause of the snowflakes we now see in the Higher Indoctrination system called colleges these days.

Instead of snowflakes they are really mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed manure.


62 posted on 05/10/2016 9:51:36 AM PDT by JayAr36 (At 80 I thought I had seen it all. America is swirling in the toilet now. And daily getting worse.)
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Back in 1945 we WERE smarter. Millions of other lives were saved including both Allied and Japanese. I call BS.


67 posted on 05/10/2016 9:53:53 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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WashPosh: In China and America, more and more people think Rape of Nanking was wrong
Washing Posh^ | May 10, 2016 | dunnit

there fixed it


68 posted on 05/10/2016 9:53:58 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))))))
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It’s easy to sit four generations removed from Pearl Harbor and monday morning quarterback, I guess.

The current generation also thinks that having to work for a living, or which bathroom you use is optional - A worldview abetted by a complicit government.


69 posted on 05/10/2016 9:54:08 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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Anyone who thinks the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were wrong MUST see this short video by Bill Whittle:

Bill Whittle: The TRUE Story of The Atomic Bomb (Click to View)

Note: the video is about 15 minutes long, but it covers the morality of dropping the bombs, the rationale, and he skewers a few liberals (Jon Stewart, for one) in the process. It is 15 minutes well spent, and Bill Whittle considers this video the best of his work, out of the hundreds he has done. Strong praise.

72 posted on 05/10/2016 9:56:17 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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And hindsight is always 20/20 too.

Truman did what he thought was right, and in all honesty it probably was right at the time.

As has been demonstrated in the wars fought since, bring the war to the home front for those on the losing side brings the war to a conclusion much more quickly.


74 posted on 05/10/2016 9:57:12 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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It’s because the people who were involved on both sides are mostly dead now, and the ones who remain are dwindling. Those of us who came after will never be able to see it through their eyes.


77 posted on 05/10/2016 9:58:03 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Zakeet; Sans-Culotte; Loud Mime; Mr. K; Buckeye McFrog; quesney; G Larry; Jeff Head
I have 2,000 word essay broken into four letters about dropping the atomic bombs. Here is the one for the argument I hear least often.

Japanese Intransigence Provoked the Atomic Bombs

The Kokutai principle was critical to surrender. Any influential Japanese lived within a spiritual fabric of Emperor, citizen, land, Bushido, ancestral spirits, government, and Shinto religion. In subjection to this spiritual and political authority, commoners forfeited individuality for a collective soul defining Japan. As soldiers or civilian militia they awaited the Empire’s ruling oligarchy decrees. With such national unity committed to waging total war, the atomic bombs were no longer indiscriminate or disproportional.

By January 1944 Emperor Hirohito foresaw the probability of defeat and appointed a Peace Faction. However, he and his government conducted political kabuki through twenty months of continuous defeats, fire bombings of over 60 cities, looming starvation, and 1.3 million additional Japanese deaths.

At impasse the two atomic bombs allowed Hirohito, the Son of Heaven, to speak the Voice of the Crane in the sweltering, underground bunker. The bombs were regarded as a dramatic force of nature; equivalent to an earthquake or typhoon against which human arguments collapsed. Only submission to such a catastrophe could be proportional to the disgrace of surrender following 2,600 years of martial invincibility.

Only Hirohito could submit, because he held the heaven created Imperial throne. He would bear the unbearable, conclude the war, and transform the nation. The War Faction could now relent and no one would lose face. All remained within the fabric of Japanese from all eras who had sacrificed for Emperor and Empire. Only then did Japan contact Swiss and Swedish foreign offices to commence the torturous negotiations leading to actual surrender.

Partial bibliography:

Hell to Pay, D. M. Giangreco

Japan’s Imperial Conspiracy, David Bergamni

Target Tokyo: The Story of the Sorge Spy Ring, Gordon Prange

The Secret Surrender, Allen Dulles

Hirohito, Edward Behr
A quote by film director Akira Kurosawa illustrates the transformation of that generation of Japanese people, who before were resigned to the slogan “Honorable Death of a Hundred Million”.

“When I walked the same route back to my home (after the Emperor’s broadcast), the scene was entirely different. The people in the shopping street were bustling about with cheerful faces as if preparing for a festival the next day. If the Emperor had made such a call (to follow the above slogan) those people would have done what they were told and died. And probably I would have done likewise. The Japanese see self-assertion as immoral and self-sacrifice as the sensible course to take in life. We were accustomed to this teaching and had never thought to question it….In wartime we were like deaf-mutes.”

80 posted on 05/10/2016 10:00:19 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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As WAPo and the NYTimes continue to retell the lie, people begin to believe it is true.


85 posted on 05/10/2016 10:02:27 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarme)
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They do not know history then. The US would have lost a least a million men trying to invade Japan. IF Japan was intent on surrendering they would have after the first bomb and not waited until after the second


86 posted on 05/10/2016 10:02:36 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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Bull Shi!. It ended a very cruel war that Japan was beheading and killing captives. I will never forget! Japan ask what it got.

Trump for President.

88 posted on 05/10/2016 10:09:31 AM PDT by Logical me
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In the 1960’s, I had conversations with Nimrods who suggested that we should have dropped a “demonstration” bomb in order to reduce loss of life. That argument failed on two counts, both demonstrating their ignorance.

First, the U.S. was very early in their nuclear program and did not have the means to mass produce bombs. Nuclear bombs were a scarce commodity. Second, and most telling, was the rejoinder that if a demonstration would have been adequate, then why did the Japanese wait until after Nagasaki to surrender?


89 posted on 05/10/2016 10:10:48 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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The bombs saved a half million American lives from an invasion of Japan and more than a million Japanese. None of which matters to Obama.


90 posted on 05/10/2016 10:11:36 AM PDT by armydawg505
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They started the war, we ended it. Sorry about the collateral damage, but it saved a lot of American lives.

That's all I got. Yeah, it was terrible, but it saved a lot of Jap civilians from having to fight to the death. Basically, It saved Japan from total annihilation.

But the important thing, the ONLY important thing is that it saved a million or so US lives that would have been lost if we had to invade the mainland.

Hopefully, Japan has learned its' lesson about fighting wars of conquest.

92 posted on 05/10/2016 10:13:48 AM PDT by Kenton
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The only B I ever got in grad school was from a professor whose pet project was demonstrating how Hiroshima was the American equivalent of Auschwitz. I refused to go along, wrote a (I still think, 25 years later) very cogent term paper completely destroying the analogy. He couldn’t refute my arguments, and he couldn’t fail me (it was 25 years ago; today profs would do it with impunity), so he gave me a B in the course without, IIRC, grading the paper. I wear the B as a badge of honor.

P.S. I spent my teen years in Japan, love Japanese culture, spent 30 years studying Japanese tea ceremony, and my screen name means “tea person” in Japanese. If anyone should oppose the bombing, I would be the one, but I have been to Hiroshima, and to much of the rest of Japan, and the only reason it is what it is today is because we stopped WWII short of an invasion of the home islands.


93 posted on 05/10/2016 10:14:53 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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Smartest decision Truman ever made.

At the time Gen MacArthur was pushing for an invasion of Japan.
He wanted to be the Ike of the pacific because he *definitely* had political ambitions.

When Truman was given the projected casualty numbers for a land invasion he probably soiled his panties.
The casualties of an invasion of the Japanese mainland would have killed his political career and legacy.

The question was: kill a half million plus American troops and millions of Japanese in an invasion or kill an unknown number of Japanese with this untried super weapon?

The decision: kill an unknown number of Japanese and keep our side safe.

Truman made the right decision.
Anyone who doesn’t think so has no critical thinking abilities.


96 posted on 05/10/2016 10:18:47 AM PDT by oldvirginian (American by birth, Southern by the grace of God and Virginian because Jesus loves me. CRUZ 2016!)
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It wasn't wrong - it was TOTAL WAR.

There are far too many bedwetters in America now who have no idea what TOTAL WAR means hence have no right to govern the country.

97 posted on 05/10/2016 10:20:38 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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Met General Paul Tibbets at an air show at Lunken Field in Cincinnati, OH back in 2004. He was at a book signing for his updated version of the book Enola Gay.
He died in 2007 never expressing regret for his actions. Telling inquisitors that he slept fine. "The objective was to stop the fighting, thereby saving further loss of life. Those of us who gained that victory have nothing to be ashamed of; neither do we offer any apology."
Paul Tibbets signed his book on 9-11-04.
101 posted on 05/10/2016 10:24:24 AM PDT by BluH2o
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Most I'd bet had fathers grandfathers, in the military in, WWII, who were slated to invade the Japanese homeland.

These THINKIG? persons that would not have been born were it not even been for the A-Bomb!

My own dad was sent back to the States from the Pacific-Theatre 2 days after the Japanese surrender and married Mom one week larer,

105 posted on 05/10/2016 10:27:33 AM PDT by SandRat
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