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To: Reno89519

OK, so make your case that other than Trump’s statements about abortion (which some of us take as pandering) and Merry Christmas, on cultural issues Evangelical care about, he is much different than Clinton policy-wise. Issues such as Gay Marriage, Religous Liberty, creating economic conditions that encourage flourishing familes for all classes and races, freedom from contributing to government support of behaviors we have sincerly held religious beliefs against, freedom of religion and assembly, welcoming faith back into the public square, compassioante solutions to poverty and immigration issues (the fasted growing congregations among evangelicals are now ethnic congregations). I know the fight is over, now it is getting the team off the bench, so I am sincerly asking for help in how to think about these things, especially when leading lights like Moore are so anti-Trump.


29 posted on 05/10/2016 7:53:27 AM PDT by sonrise57 (Help us God for evil men have surrounded us.)
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To: sonrise57

Ignore the naysayers with their head in sand. Focus on the possible, skip martyrdom. You or others might think Trump comes up short, but would Clinton be better?


57 posted on 05/10/2016 8:07:45 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Make America Great Again Starts with America First! I stand with Trump.)
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To: sonrise57

If Trump (I know, big if but I’ll take him at his word) closes the border, deports illegals and restricts Muslim immigration and brings back jobs, then we will have a country to pursue the important social issues.

If none of these things happen we will lose our country and social issues will be even further from our ability to change.


64 posted on 05/10/2016 8:12:48 AM PDT by Jay Thomas
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To: sonrise57

I look at it like this: Trump says he is pro-life. On all of the other social issues, he is probably quite weak and mostly uninterested. To the extent he has an opinion, it is probably to allow the states to decide for themselves (a la the toilet cross-dresser issue). In my opinion, this is way, way better than Hillary because we know she is an active leftist who will stack the administration with other leftist activists all of whom will be pushing a far left social agenda. I hope everyone can see the difference here. The second part of the analysis has to be the country’s survival depends not only on social issues (which it does) but on other issues as well, such as immigration, trade, military policy, regulation, taxes .... I think that Trump is vastly better on all of these issues. Look, this is not at all like choosing from a hundred applicants who want to become pastor of your church. This is about a binary choice that is either Trump or Hillary. Period. Hold his feet to the fire, sure, but at the end of the day, there is no comparison.


68 posted on 05/10/2016 8:16:36 AM PDT by Stingray51
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