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Trump: U.S. can never default because it prints money
Politico ^ | 05/09/2016 | Nick Gass

Posted on 05/09/2016 6:09:29 AM PDT by GIdget2004

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To: Popman
A 20 % tax on imports would be passed onto to consumer...

Not necessarily. Your assumption that American consumers will simply pay more for higher priced imports is not based on empirical evidence. It is actually more likely they will choose a comparable lower priced domestic product.

61 posted on 05/09/2016 6:48:13 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: GIdget2004

Trump is operating at an understanding of finances far above most.


62 posted on 05/09/2016 6:49:33 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: baltimorepoet

I don’t know the answer to your question...but I do believe $19 trillion won’t pay off all our debt.

There are federal pension obligations, and for as far as forecasters can see, SS is in the red every year.

Add in the gubmint’s insuring shaky pension plans, student loans backed by the gubmint that will never get paid back, and a possible repeat of the real estate bubble, and the total unfunded obligation probably rivals that of the official debt.

Then there are state and local government obligations...

We’d run out of green ink.


63 posted on 05/09/2016 6:49:33 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: ken5050

“Well then, this proves Trump has the intelligence of a 3 year old.”

Which means, for you, that when you approach his 757 in your 757 that you should be cautious.


64 posted on 05/09/2016 6:50:05 AM PDT by odawg
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To: semimojo
What about the over $2T in US goods and services exports your tariffs will kill? Where do they fit into your model?

The USA's exports are already subject to burdensome duties and tariffs now. Other countries can't retaliate because the have already used up their ammo. You actually are so misinformed as to not know that we are in a one sided trade war now? Where have you lived for the past 4 decades?

65 posted on 05/09/2016 6:52:55 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GIdget2004

When did Keynes supplant Bastiat as a conservative icon?


66 posted on 05/09/2016 6:53:05 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Don Corleone

Trump flexes his economic chops


67 posted on 05/09/2016 6:53:18 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof .... but they're true)
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To: mac_truck
Not necessarily. Your assumption that American consumers will simply pay more for higher priced imports is not based on empirical evidence. It is actually more likely they will choose a comparable lower priced domestic product.

Even better! More domestic manufacturing is the goal!

68 posted on 05/09/2016 6:53:53 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
“Printing money like Weimar is defaulting.”

Yes, I agree, but it didn't sound to me, from reading what he said, that this is what he's advocating. What he said was:

“This is the United States government. First of all, you never have to default because you print the money. I hate to tell you. So there's never a default.”

What he's saying is that this has been the ongoing modus operandi in the US, which is why we've never defaulted to this point. That's why the comment “I hate to tell you”. He's basically saying that the impression that most Americans probably have, that money actually means something, is unfortunately false. In reality, when we pay people in dollars, what we are really giving them are certificates to ‘trade in’ for US goods, services, real estate etc. In that manner, if inflation drives down the purchasing power of each US dollar, we are actually paying them less - but we would then be destroying the purchasing power of each US worker's paycheck, so it could be a disaster for the consumer.

69 posted on 05/09/2016 6:56:09 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

So if the G printed enough cash so that every American had 10 million in his pocket, prices would not rise?


70 posted on 05/09/2016 6:57:16 AM PDT by Don Hernando de Las Casas
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To: GIdget2004
In other words, if interest rates go up and we can buy bonds back as a discount, if we are liquid enough as a country we should do that. In other words, we can buy back debt as a discount,"

My father, who was born and raised in NYC, used to say "in other words" all the time! When I hear Donald Trump speak, it's almost like I hear my own father speak. The words and phrases he uses are pure "New Yorkese."

71 posted on 05/09/2016 6:58:28 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob
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To: central_va
A 20% import tariff balances the budget tomorrow.

I wouldn't go that far... Our actual annual deficit is $1 trillion. US imports of goods is about $2.3 trillion. Twenty percent of that would be $460 billion.

We'd come up about 54% shy of eliminating the deficit. Of course, that assumes that imports would stay the same with an extra 20% tacked on. My guess is we'd see imports actually drop by at least 20% - so we'd probably only realize a $300 billion cut in the deficit, leaving us around $700 billion in the hole, annually.

72 posted on 05/09/2016 7:00:31 AM PDT by Shanghai Dan
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To: Don Hernando de Las Casas

“So if the G printed enough cash so that every American had 10 million in his pocket, prices would not rise?”

Probably not in the sense you mean it.

It would depend on why it happened and if there was confidence in the government.

If it was “kept in their pocket” it would be worse than if it were spent.

Velocity of money is more important than volume in existence.


73 posted on 05/09/2016 7:02:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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74 posted on 05/09/2016 7:02:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
There is precious little food we HAVE To import. Heck, if we stopped putting corn in our fuel tanks, that land can be put to other crops, or less imported animal feed, or just exporting the grain.

Don't see that happening. Trump promised the voters in Iowa he'd keep the ethanol mandate.

75 posted on 05/09/2016 7:05:23 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: central_va

We already have 12,000 tariffs for imports and we still have manufacturers offshoring. All we need is 1 more and everything will be solved!

Go Trump!


76 posted on 05/09/2016 7:08:30 AM PDT by CSM (White wine sipping, caviar munching, Georgetown cocktail circuit circulating, Perrier conservative.)
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To: GIdget2004

He is really, really, really wrong. Any hint of a partial default on US Tsys will obliterate financial markets worldwide. Vaporize. Detonate. Ours as bad or worse than any others.


77 posted on 05/09/2016 7:08:44 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (I apologize for not apologizing.)
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To: CSM

We only collect <1% on those tariffs. The number of tariffs on the books don’t matter if you don’t set the rate above 1%. Same with immigration laws that are not enforced.


78 posted on 05/09/2016 7:10:55 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dead
Then we can send a mountain of cash to China, clearing our debt to them completely!

What's really gonna be a bitch is when China tells us they don't want any of our phony paper money. They will demand payment to be in gold, oil and weapons.

79 posted on 05/09/2016 7:11:11 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: ryan71
Great, another guy whose solution is to print more “money”. I’ll keep buying metals.

Maybe a way to do both...


80 posted on 05/09/2016 7:12:27 AM PDT by C210N
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