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Russia's New Mobile Air Defense System Has One Very Unique Feature
National Interest ^ | May 4, 2016 | DAVE MAJUMDAR

Posted on 05/06/2016 8:22:22 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 05/06/2016 8:22:22 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ivan sure knows how to make tactical AA systems. The US has never developed a comparable system, see Sgt. York fiasco.


2 posted on 05/06/2016 8:26:38 AM PDT by C19fan
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I have a feeling the US relies on a different strategy like air superiority to protect ground troops.


3 posted on 05/06/2016 8:32:25 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hrmmm the missile can only lock-on higher than 5,000 meters... Not sure how that helps you fight off an A-10 straffing.


4 posted on 05/06/2016 8:36:49 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The last 10 years of my contracting career was on armored vehicles. I venture to say that it is nearly impossible for the military/industrial/political complex to produce a design that will be efficient on the battlefield. Congress tries to send big pieces to their preferred companies and thus divide the contract so that huge compromises must be made on all aspects of the design. To get enough votes companies have to pool their pocket-Congressmen. Then, the military finally gets a shot at a new vehicle and every command wants that vehicle go be one they can use with no modifications. They fight over their needs and you end up with a race horse designed by a committee. Then Congress ladles on its green agenda, gay agenda, diversity agenda, consulting stuff for supporters, small business requirements, etc. By the time the contract is let it is essentially doomed to failure, like the Future Combat Systems vehicle. If I cancelled a meeting on that project I’d get angry emails and calls telling me I had to hold it because they had “charge numbers they had to burn.”

The process is so broken it amazes me the military gets anything it needs. (Incidentally, everybody involved knows what the issues are. But nobody has the power to overcome them.)


5 posted on 05/06/2016 8:45:27 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Russians seem to be continuing with their innovation and are looking to include another option and become more adaptable in operations.

.....If they can keep costs in control.

6 posted on 05/06/2016 8:45:35 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Reminds me of the ZSU-23 (the “Gun” in VN) or the 2S6 later update except it’s on a truck body.

Added missiles to replace the guns for the +30K altitude shots. Guns for low altitude.

Kinda like a cross between the 2S6 and a SA-15


7 posted on 05/06/2016 8:46:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: miliantnutcase

They have other systems to handle CAS aircraft. The Strela-10, for example.


8 posted on 05/06/2016 8:46:18 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: C19fan

Ivan sure knows how to make tactical AA systems. The US has never developed a comparable system, see Sgt. York fiasco.


Not really. They just know how to deploy them against weaker opposition. This would be junkyard scrap in 5 minutes against a competently equipped foe.


9 posted on 05/06/2016 8:53:16 AM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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will be able to protect paratroopers from enemy aircraft operating at high or medium altitudes

That is usually provided by air support

10 posted on 05/06/2016 8:58:13 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A 19 mile range is not going to cut it. Hunk of burning steel in the real world battlefield.


11 posted on 05/06/2016 9:03:34 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: miliantnutcase

A nuclear strike on the airbase would take care of that.


12 posted on 05/06/2016 9:07:43 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Gen.Blather

True. Very true.

As much for the Air Farce (nowdays) as for the Army. Army missiles, army weapons, army uniforms, army vehicles.

The Navy? Similar: The designs are based on assumed “computer modeling of assumed battles.” The ships can be destroyed in harbors by mines laid overnight by pleasure boats, and torpedoes shot from fishing boats and trawlers.


13 posted on 05/06/2016 9:11:47 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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Back in the ‘80’s, I was a member of the first PATRIOT battalion the army formed. We did the final acceptance testing for the system out at Ft. Bliss. When those familiar with the ability of other AD systems to be air-dropped would ask us if the PATRIOT could be air-dropped, we would tell them, “Sure... once.” :)


14 posted on 05/06/2016 9:20:40 AM PDT by CaptainKip
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To: Little Pig

more about strela-10 from Wikipedia:

“Each 9M37 missile is 2.2 m (7.2 ft) long, weighs 40 kg (88 pounds) and carries a 3.5 kg (7-15 pound) warhead. The maximum speed of the missile is near Mach 2, engagement range is from 500...800 to 5000 m (0.3–3 miles) and engagement altitude is between 10 and 3500 m (33-11,500 ft). (The ranges define the zone of target intercept, minimum and maximum launch distances are longer for approaching and shorter for receding targets, depending on the target’s speed, altitude and flight direction.)”

sounds to me like the A10 and AH64 were the intended targets of this system.


15 posted on 05/06/2016 9:50:37 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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Probably, along with the Apache and some of the older attack aircraft. Without going back and looking, my guess would be that the -10 evolved from older systems that had to be able to target the various Wild Weasel aircraft, and some of those were real fast-movers.


16 posted on 05/06/2016 11:09:14 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: RitchieAprile

Ok, I went and looked anyway, and I was sort of right. The -10 doesn’t really have a predecessor, but the -10 is also old enough that it was contemporary with the old F-111B and F4 WildWeasel aircraft, which would have been harder to hit than the slower A-10.


17 posted on 05/06/2016 11:20:42 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Moonman62

Yes it does they are busy getting ready with the All Female and Transgender Lightfooted Infantry Brigades - absolutely fearsome to behold in their flaming pink uniforms ... The are able to airdrop lactation stations and transgender restrooms on a moments notice.

The vile Ruskies will pay the price if they have to face these wonder warriors.


18 posted on 05/06/2016 11:32:31 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Gosh I hope Trump reverses that nonsense his first day as president.


19 posted on 05/06/2016 11:39:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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Reverse it? Why those Brigades are light years ahead of anything the Ruskies have ...


20 posted on 05/06/2016 11:49:39 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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