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To: Fantasywriter
This is called Magical Thinking. You have zero evidence that Trump “made himself rich by using eminent domain.” zero. Squat. Nothing. The donut.

Took me 10 seconds. First link I pulled up.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/19/donald-trumps-eminent-domain-nearly-cost-widow-house

For more than 30 years Vera Coking lived in a three-story house just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City. Donald Trump built his 22-story Trump Plaza next door. In the mid-1990s Trump wanted to build a limousine parking lot for the hotel, so he bought several nearby properties. But three owners, including the by then elderly and widowed Ms Coking, refused to sell.

Trump turned to a government agency – the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) – to take Coking’s property….

I won't say i'm shocked, because I know how the big boys play in Cities like New York. There's more. Read the whole thing.

Point is, the image of Trump pushing a grannie out of her house fits in the case of Vera Coking.

Here is the woman:

And here is her house:

Note Trumps unfinished Casinos on either side?

Of course when the Cruz campaign made the ad, i'm sure they theatricalized the event to make it into a better political ad, but the underlying accusation is based in truth.

When I entered the discussion, I gave you an example of a straight up, irrefutable, monstrously vicious Cruz lie. It is fallacious to conflate my example with others. My example stands alone.

If you are referring to the ad you mentioned earlier, I believe the above link refutes the claim that it is a lie. Apparently Donald Trump did engage in eminent Domain abuse.

If you are referring to the "Trump is anti-gun" ad, that wasn't produced by the Cruz campaign. It was an independent PAC that did that.

199 posted on 05/05/2016 11:25:59 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I haven’t had an exchange like this since the last time I argued with Obots. They, and now you, totally change the subject, and then say “I won!”

How many times do I have to tell you what Cruz’ ad said?????

Seriously, how many times?????

Cruz ad did NOT say Trump turned to the Casino Authority for help. It never came close to suggesting that. That is ***NOT*** the lie I cited.

I’m going to ask you something honestly, as one conservative to another. Namely, if you are unwilling to read with sufficient comprehension to grasp the lie after I’ve repeated it three or four times, what’s the point? What on earth is the point???

I’ll repeat the lie just once more. I shouldn’t, as it is unnecessary. Once should have been enough. Four or five repetitions [counting this one] is ridiculous.

The lie is that “Trump made himself rich by using eminent domain.” That is the LIE. Does your precious, one-sided, half-baked, leaving-out-more-FACTS-than-what-it-includes Trump-hating article prove that??? So exactly how much DID Trump make? One million? Can’t be; at Trump’s level, a million bucks doesn’t “make him rich”.

A billion? Did Trump make a cool billion off the wwindow’s house? If so, I’ll concede the argument. Trump made himself rich from using...er, from the Casino Authority using, eminent domain. Just prove Trump made a billion, and you win.

By the way, what Trump offered the widow for her house is a matter of record. How much was that offer? How much less than that offer did she end up taking years later?


200 posted on 05/05/2016 12:20:27 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I haven’t had an exchange like this since the last time I argued with Obots. They, and now you, totally change the subject, and then say “I won!”

How many times do I have to tell you what Cruz’ ad said?????

Seriously, how many times?????

Cruz ad did NOT say Trump turned to the Casino Authority for help. It never came close to suggesting that. That is ***NOT*** the lie I cited.

I’m going to ask you something honestly, as one conservative to another. Namely, if you are unwilling to read with sufficient comprehension to grasp the lie after I’ve repeated it three or four times, what’s the point? What on earth is the point???

I’ll repeat the lie just once more. I shouldn’t, as it is unnecessary. Once should have been enough. Four or five repetitions [counting this one] is ridiculous.

The lie is that “Trump made himself rich by using eminent domain.” That is the LIE. Does your precious, one-sided, half-baked, leaving-out-more-FACTS-than-what-it-includes Trump-hating article prove that??? So exactly how much DID Trump make? One million? Can’t be; at Trump’s level, a million bucks doesn’t “make him rich”.

A billion? Did Trump make a cool billion off the wwindow’s house? If so, I’ll concede the argument. Trump made himself rich from using...er, from the Casino Authority using, eminent domain. Just prove Trump made a billion, and you win.

By the way, what Trump offered the widow for her house is a matter of record. How much was that offer? How much less than that offer did she end up taking years later?


201 posted on 05/05/2016 12:20:52 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Now that I think about it, the Cruz-approved LIE in the ad suggests Trump got ALL his money from using eminent domain. Look at it this way: if someone says, ‘Getty made himself rich in the oil business,’ it doesn’t mean he made a fraction of his wealth off oil. It means he either made it all off oil, or else the lion’s share.

So Trump making himself rich off eminent domain either means he made several billion, or possibly even close to ten billion.

Take a second look at that old boarding house. Does it look like a multi-billion dollar piece of real estate to you?


203 posted on 05/05/2016 12:51:53 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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