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Obama Administration Moves Forward With Stripping Gun Rights Through Social Security
townhall.com ^ | 5/2/2016 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 05/03/2016 5:32:04 AM PDT by rktman

Late last week President Obama announced a new push for additional federal "smart" gun technology funding. After grabbing headlines and much attention, the move received praise from gun control groups like Michael Bloomberg's Everytown and criticism from law enforcement, the NRA and the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

But an issue flying under the radar in Obama's announcement is the Administration's decision to move forward with gun control measures through the Social Security system. Late last year it became clear if an individuals needs financial help managing Social Security benefits, the agency can deem that person mentally unfit to purchase a firearm. This policy is already in place at the Veteran's Administration, where people who have been assigned a "representative payee" have been permanently placed into the NICS background check system as ineligible to purchase a firearm without due process, a hearing or a trial. As background from the LA Times, bolding is mine:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; ssa
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To: from occupied ga; FrankR
I came to that conclusion back in the early Nineties.

In my retirement planning, I am not even planning on getting any. If I do, great, if I don't, I view it simply as money stolen from me to be given to others in the many forms of government handouts.

I don't blame you (FrankR) for seeing it the way you do since that is all we ever hear. But the government has said (on its own website) the following: "...The fact that workers contribute to the Social Security program's funding through a dedicated payroll tax establishes a unique connection between those tax payments and future benefits. More so than general federal income taxes can be said to establish "rights" to certain government services. This is often expressed in the idea that Social Security benefits are "an earned right." This is true enough in a moral and political sense. But like all federal entitlement programs, Congress can change the rules regarding eligibility--and it has done so many times over the years..."

In reading this on the Social Security Administration's website, this means there is no guarantee of any kind you will ever see any of those tens of thousands of dollars (if not hundreds of thousands) you have put into the system during your life. They say the obligation is "true enough in a moral and political sense".

Think about that statement. Does that fill a thinking person with confidence? No, a thinking person understands that "a moral and political sense" and $4.50 will buy you a buck of Starbucks coffee, if that.

from occupied ga is completely correct. We are borrowing money from people who hate and despise us in order to pay out Social Security now, and the money that should have been used for those things was pissed away in the form of political goodies.

Make no mistake-we will see means testing for Social Security, and soon. And if you are one of the 48% (soon to be revised downwards again) of the patsies who pay taxes, guess what?

If you pay taxes, then that means you have "means" and will get a smaller and smaller piece of Social Security, eventually, none at all.

Mark my words.

21 posted on 05/03/2016 6:28:06 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Irrational violence against muslims" is a myth, but "Irrational violence against non-muslims" isn't)
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To: rktman

This id why they have made both systems so complicated that you need help to figure out how to navigate it. (Poor, minorities, children and women affected most)


22 posted on 05/03/2016 7:00:08 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: rktman

How about people who use a Tax Service to do their income Taxes? Or a Financial Advisor to do investments?


23 posted on 05/03/2016 7:34:12 AM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: AFret.

Was his name NOY FB?


24 posted on 05/03/2016 7:52:14 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Hugin

And that makes it OK?

This is just the first step: Establish the authority to ban groups of ‘undesirable’ people. Then let the good times roll.


25 posted on 05/03/2016 10:41:11 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RoadGumby
And that makes it OK?

Did I say that? Like I said, I don't think there was a problem in the first place. There's no evidence that those folks are going out and buying guns. It's a "solution" to a non-problem.

26 posted on 05/03/2016 1:43:16 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: FrankR

“and now we collect the annuity from those payments.”

There is no annuity! There are only more taxes from others. A Ponzi scheme if there ever was one.


27 posted on 05/03/2016 1:48:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Hugin

As I said, it is the beginning of another way to try to solve the problem of an armed populace.


28 posted on 05/03/2016 4:32:42 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RoadGumby

It’s not the beginning. It’s been illegal for mentally incompetent to own firearms since 1968. It’s a shortcut to putting people into that category without a court declaring them incompetent. I’m not for it, but it’s not the beginning of anything. And there certainly wasn’t big problem of these folks buying guns. I’m much more concerned with their attempt to ban all vets with PTSD from owning guns. And I don’t like the fact that pot smokers are banned from owning guns either, especially medical users. Let me be clear, people should only be banned from owning guns if a court rules them incompetent.


29 posted on 05/03/2016 5:25:40 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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