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10 Myths About Canadian Health Care, Busted
PNHP ^ | Sara Robinson

Posted on 04/28/2016 4:37:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: BobL
Three observations from someone with a lot of relatives in Canada:
1. A cousin of mine had a breast biopsy in May, didn't get the malignant results until the end of June, and couldn't start chemo until August. She didn't see anything to complain about.
2. My mother died of breast cancer after being told a large breast lump didn't “feel” malignant by a physician. She was part of the infamous Canadian Mammogram Study. Subsequently I received a questionnaire from the study administrators seeking further information. I gave them a piece of my mind and received two letters in reply from the head of the study. She claimed there was no proof that mammograms saved lives, and she didn't recommend their use.
3. My father died of ALS in Canada. He had to wait 8 months for an MRI. He was allowed to drown with fluid in his lungs that could easily have been removed, but wasn't because “they would have had to do it again anyway.”

Canada's medical care is great if you are young, whereas our youth population is totally screwed by Obamacare. However, if you are older and have an illness, you are much better off in the US. Check out the cancer survival rate comparison between our two countries.

Canadians, for the most part, however, don't really seem to think that they deserve better. They are much less likely to request timely care, and will quietly wait their turn, as they are too polite to demand anything else.

81 posted on 04/28/2016 6:45:59 PM PDT by binreadin
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To: Nachum

The writer identified herself as being with PNHP, which, if it is the same organization I know of, was set up and manned by old and present members of the Communist Party USA and/or its split-off faction, the Committee of Correspondence for Socialism etc.

PNHP was founded by Dr. Quentin Young, Obama’s personal physician and Chicago Communist.

Two other CP-connected people in it were Kimmelstein and a woman whose name I have forgotten.

All the documentation on this group and people can be found at www.keywiki.org, under the name of the organization and by the individual’s name. Bluelinking will connect you from the organization to the individual’s page.

Articles in the Congressional Record about Young revealed not only his CPUSA record (I believe he took the 5th before Congress when asked about his Party membership, Chicago Hearings, HCUA, possibly 1965 - is referenced at KW), but also he role in creating the Marxist-left/radical rioters aiding Medical Committee for Human Rights (at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention).

The woman’s article is interesting but so are some of the rebuttals, including yours’, Nachum.

With U.S. govt-sponsored health insurance centers/organizations failing in state after state, and United HealthCare taking a shellacking to the tune of a reported billion dollar or more loss (and pulling out of key states), I would say that PNHP is not the best source for the truth about a lot of things.


82 posted on 04/28/2016 6:50:10 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SeekAndFind

My doctor has never “gone on strike”. :)


83 posted on 04/28/2016 6:53:31 PM PDT by Does so (Vote for Hillary...Stay Home...==8-O)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Be back


84 posted on 04/28/2016 6:57:59 PM PDT by thinden
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Well, let the world governments negotiate prices

I trust them less than our own.

85 posted on 04/28/2016 7:06:57 PM PDT by Nachum (ISIS is alive... and Chris Stevens is dead)
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To: Nachum

Well who do you think is negotiating them now?


86 posted on 04/28/2016 7:14:19 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Canadians can't be President!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Childbirth would probably be considered simple, since people used to do it without any professional medical assistance at all.

Complications in childbirth would be considered complex in any scenario.

87 posted on 04/28/2016 7:21:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: Nachum
You and I will have to agree to disagree on this. If you want drug shortages, let the government negotiate prices.

I'm not advocating having the government set drug prices, but let's all be clear about what that means - American consumers will continue to subsidize drug R&D for the rest of the world.

Probably a worthwhile trade-off.

88 posted on 04/28/2016 7:22:06 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: SeekAndFind

OK...I have firsthand knowledge of THREE cases:

1. The large conglomerate I worked for in the 80’s transferred the VP of Canada to the US for “reassignment”. His first assignment was getting the triple bypass that had been delayed in Canada for months. - so he stayed at home unable to walk long distances and got sicker and sicker. The company was self-insured, so this was no problem with the “insurance company”.

2. In a case very similar to #1 above, I worked for a company in the 90’s where our fairly wealthy company owner hired a friend of his from Canada (the owner was originally from Canada) and put him on our rather good insurance. Same story, needed bypass, told him to go home and “relax” for months. He got worse and worse until he could barely get out of bed. He was taken off the plane, plopped in an ambulance, and went straight to the hospital and surgery.

3. Quite recently, a business acquaintance of my wife’s with some serious health problems that seemed to be getting worse and worse after several small surgeries finally worked up the finances to get to that Mecca of medical care, Detroit. The doctors there could not believe the multiple hack jobs done and were debating if they could fix everything at once or if it would take multiple surgeries.

I’m sure that they have very fine (albeit expensive in terms of taxes) health care there - as long as you never have a problem until you just fall over and drop dead.


89 posted on 04/28/2016 7:30:04 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: buckalfa

Prospered? Do you read the news? Big firms are laying off, consolidating and pulling out of the individual markets. Coops are outright failing. I work at a health care insurance company. We just laid off 165 people and we’re pulling out of Oregon (another 50 some-odd layoffs at year end). Yes they are adapting, but I wouldn’t say prospering.


90 posted on 04/28/2016 7:34:48 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“Well, let the world governments negotiate prices, and then demand the same price here. Who cares if their pharmaceutical costs go up a little bit? (just as long as ours go down)”

I’m just “dying”, so to speak, to find out how Trump will “negotiate” with drug companies. Here’s how other countries negotiate: charge something reasonable or we will make it ourselves. And I’m sick and tired (again, so to speak) about hearing how that will stifle research and innovation. Competition and price pressure doesn’t seem to bother every other business in a capitalistic economy - and the profligate spending by medical companies on everything BUT research and development is the stuff of legends - ask any 500$+/night resort, 200$+/plate restaurant, and any “quality” strip bar.


91 posted on 04/28/2016 7:37:36 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: binreadin

These are very sad stories. I guess Americans just don’t like to “take one for the team” and die quietly.


92 posted on 04/28/2016 7:40:14 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just a little story from the mid-70’s. My SIL went to have her first child in a hospital outside London, UK. After giving birth, she spend the night in her bed in the hallway as there were no beds available in the Labor and Delivery Ward. True story.


93 posted on 04/28/2016 7:46:01 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: shotgun

Exactly what I thought when I started reading it.


94 posted on 04/28/2016 7:50:17 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Well, he could eliminate the corporate tax and create other initiatives to encourage innovation and development.


95 posted on 04/28/2016 7:52:13 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Canadians can't be President!)
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To: Nachum
Here's an old expose on Canadian Health.
96 posted on 04/28/2016 7:58:35 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: The Antiyuppie

I agree that the rest of the world resorts to extortion to drive down their own presription medicine costs. The end result is that American taxpayers end up paying the entire development costs for most new drugs through excessively high prices. The only way around that looks like streamlining the government regulatory bottleneck. What are the prospects of that happening once Schmuckie Schumer starts crowing about sacrificing the lives of America’s children to benefit the conglomerate drug companies?


97 posted on 04/28/2016 8:04:27 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: SeekAndFind

As per point 3 in regards to wait time for doctor’s appointments. From personal experience I would have to disagree with the author, they are as bad as advertised. Case in point, my daughter was given an appointment to see a doctor in May back in October of last year. She declined the offer, and saw a doctor right away back in the USA. Now this was not in a backwater town on the praires of Manitoba, it was within one of the largest cities in the country, Montreal.


98 posted on 04/28/2016 8:10:20 PM PDT by gusty
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To: SeekAndFind

The author will have a follow on article about how great healthcare is in Cuba.


99 posted on 04/28/2016 8:10:53 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: goldstategop

Your satisfaction with medicaid will disappear when you can no longer find a physician who takes it. The diminishing percentage of physicians who accept it are able to do so because of the de-facto subsidy paid by private insurance and self-pay, since most medicaid services are provided at a loss. As private insurance is degraded by obamacare, the flight by physicians from medicaid will accelerate.


100 posted on 04/28/2016 8:14:44 PM PDT by armydoc
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