[miss marmelstein]

Whatever, yourself. No one is denying that America was founded by European powers and that British common law was a foundation of America. No one. And I don’t want to be anyone’s colony. They all had good points - after all - you can get a croissant in Viet Nam - and I get to eat cookies from the Dutch. But all had very bad points. Amritsar, anyone? And, of course, some tribe somewhere is still pissed off at that Manhattan deal.

My only point here is everyone is having a cow over another stupid Obama statement. The Europeans went wild over him and are now having buyer’s remorse. Well, so are we but he’ll be out come January. So everyone should quit hating on America - generally a force for good in the world.

[driftless2]

I certainly meant no disrespect to the Dutch Miss Marmelstein, but my edged comments were not directed at you. Certainly the English weren't perfect. I mentioned Ireland and there were other places where they weren't angels.

But taken in the whole, the English did more to civilize the world than any other country. That is the main point I was trying to make.