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To: Hostage

And now, sure enough, Trump’s own words incriminate him as being in the amnesty camp as recently as 2012: “The Republican Party will continue to lose presidential elections if it comes across as mean-spirited and unwelcoming toward people of color, Donald Trump tells Newsmax. Romney’s solution of “self deportation” for illegal aliens made no sense and suggested that Republicans do not care about Hispanics in general, Trump says. “He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump says.


I’ll start with this since the wall is the single biggest bringer of votes for him. He copyrighted MAGA before he said this about Romney. Can you square this immigration comment?


328 posted on 04/20/2016 10:36:50 PM PDT by txhurl (There goes Unity.)
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To: txhurl

Right off the bat you make a big error. You have much to learn and so do those that share your view. It’s not your fault entirely, it’s also that you don’t understand American subcultures and different sets of family values. And I am not referring to the binary world of conservative vs. liberal. I am referring to mindsets that develop in response to environments that surround them. That’s what you’re missing and that’s why you’re boxed into a narrow view as not much else makes sense to you because you simply are missing the experience. I will try to correct that for you.

You also need to post the whole write-up in order for people to see the context, and then you need to convey to your reader the culture of being a New Yorker which in this context are those traits that stand out and make America a beacon of freedom and a leader to the world.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Donald-Trump-Ronald-Kessler/2012/11/26/id/465363/

Negatives of NY culture notwithstanding, Trump put on the finer touches of NY culture that make people around the world really love America. When you get to that part, then you discuss what Donald was saying and why it makes so much sense.

I am at an advantage because I have lots of family in Texas, many in New York and Pennsylvania, many in Virginia, Maryland and the DC area, and also very close relatives in South Carolina, as well as California. And my niece who has 3 children lives in Alaska. But it’s more than just geographical variation, it’s also that I have spent great amounts of time in those places (not so much in Alaska) and as a result have a depth of experience that most others do not possess.

I know if a family member or friend says X, they meant to say X and Y, but they shortened or truncated their thinking perhaps because they were talking fast because maybe they live in NY, but others may conclude that X and not Y was what was meant and the result is a conflict.

So you have to know people and their culture to be able to more completely understand what they say, mean and think. In court. good lawyers make that abundantly clear on behalf of their clients. And the lawyers that might be reading this post know exactly what I am talking about.

When a police officer answers a complaint, they may listen to 500 words of a person referred to in the complaint but selectively choose 15 in which to base probable cause for arrest. It’s not fair but that is the limits of minds and their language. It’s why lawyers always say don’t say a word to the police until you have a lawyer by your side to speak on your behalf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc (you should take the time to watch all of this)

This is relevant to the subject of Trump because what you’re doing is similar to standing like a police officer with your notepad taking notes of what Trump said, and you hear (or read) words and phrases like “unwelcoming toward people of color”, “self deportation for illegal aliens made no sense”, and based on these remarks, you close up your notebook and read Donald his rights as you cuff him and take him in to be booked as an ‘amnesty camp’ dweller. Yep. another one of those amnesty liberals who needs to spend some time in reflection inside a cell. Book him Danno! Another amnestytard for the cell block!

So now the cultural background. Picture a family dinner table, with family members and friends in NY and the subject is illegal aliens. The question is what to do about them. Suppose each person at the table is a native NYer and each was schooled in welcoming people from around the world because that’s the history of NY and the value of its humanity. Everyone agrees at the table in basic humanity and rights to people. But, there are members at the table that point out that appreciating and attaching value to the Rule of Law is just as important and even more important. So a debate ensues and people nod their heads in agreement that as Americans we have to continue to show a spirit of welcoming immigrants, of offering friendship, but ... BUT they have to come in legally. Now you may begin to see where Donald Trump is coming from.

What you did that was in error in your post to me, was to immediately jump to an incorrect inference that Trump was “in the amnesty camp as recently as 2012”; far from it, very far from it.

What Trump was conveying in the totality of his message was that Romney’s image was awful and not attractive. To win elections one needs to be attractive to a large swath of all the cultures in the United States and, ... and importantly, ... stand for the Rule of Law.

Rule of Law, border enforcement, Wall, always pointing to the tragedy of Kate Steinle, of Jamiel Shaw Jr. and others; these are not the marks of a charlatan. These heartfelt conveyances are from a man who wants a stop put to the senseless border chaos and the crazy immigration system that America has in place. Donald Trump knows that the border can never be secure without a wall. His sincerity is seen in the spread of his message to the American people. If he was some sort of Clinton trojan horse, some sort of Plan B for Clinton, he certainly wouldn’t be educating Americans on such a wide scale about the dangers of its border problems.

Now I suggest you go back and read the Newsmax piece (linked above) and try to understand the entire message in the spirit of Donald Trump. Note that nowhere is the word ‘amnesty’ mentioned but there are ‘trigger words’ that made your mind jump to ‘amnesty’.

We will continue to message about this Newsmax piece before moving on to other issues because we will get this one down fully first.


334 posted on 04/21/2016 12:25:21 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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