[FreeReign]

This seems to support Jim’s point that Cruz, although a conservative himself, is benefiting from (being used by) moderate (liberal) GOPe party operatives.

The Wisconsin exit poll shows that Cruz beat Trump 54% to 33% with conservative voters. Trump beat Cruz 40% to 31% with moderates/liberals.

This is exactly why the fabled Cruz superior ground game will not translate into a Cruz win in any 2nd, 3rd or 4th ballots. These delegates are not Cruz loyalists, but rather GOPe loyalists who are taking advantage of Cruz and his naive supporters.

A person who claims that others are naive should at least understand that conservatives are the reason why Cruz won the Wisconsin primary and should also be more aware (for better or for worse) of who picks the delegates.

From Green Papers, these are the rules in Wisconsin for how the delegates are picked.

After receiving the results of the Presidential Primary, each District Chairman, in consultation with his or her District Executive Committee and in consultation with the committee of the winning presidential candidate ... shall submit a list of ... names to be considered by the candidate committee for the selection of their District delegates ... At-Large delegates ... shall be selected by the committee of the candidate ... and a list of said delegates ... shall be ratified by the State Executive Committee. It shall be understood that the candidate's committee shall have final approval of the list of At-Large delegates ... [Republican Party of Wisconsin Constitution Article X Section 5.]

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[editor-surveyor]

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You’re wasting your time; they will not listen.

They want some mystical internecine voodoo to be the reason for anything that doesn’t fit their imagined ‘reality.’

Facts don’t cut it for Trumpers.
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[enumerated]

You make good points based on some information that I was not aware of, so I concede the point - with regard to Wisconsin.

Perhaps I am jaded after learning recently how delegates are selected here in Pennsylvania, which is 180% from the way Wisconsin does it. Here, 54 of 71 delegates are elected from slates of district delegate candidates along with their presidential candidate, on primary day. How they got on those slates, I have no idea, but the state wide winner’s campaign had nothing to do with it, because our primary hasn’t happened yet.

But here, the voters have no way of determining how the unbound delegate intends to vote, unless the voter has done his own research. Even so, the delegate candidate may or may not have publicly declared their intentions nor is he/she obligated to do so, or to vote according to their declaration. Furthermore, the slate of candidates in a particular district may or may not include delegates leaning toward a given candidate even if those leanings were known. I’ve done research and yet I feel it is a total crap shoot in my district.

I’ll be picking 3 out of 7 candidates and my best bet is one that says he intends to vote for the statewide winner, and two others that say they’ll vote for the district winner, but I have no idea what they’ll actually do, especially on later ballots.

Wisconsin’s case aside, there is plenty of evidence in other states for the point I was making, namely that GOPe campaign operatives are seizing opportunities to plant GOPe loyalists by indicating they are for Cruz, Trump or whomever, and they plan on supporting a GOPe candidate as soon as they are free to do so. Trump supporters know this us happening. Cruz supporters are naive if they don’t believe this is happening.

I hope Trump clinches 1237 and my suspicions never get put to the test, but if he doesn’t get 1237, and there is an open convention, I doubt it will be Cruz who picks up the unbound delegates - the GOPe doesn’t want Cruz any more than they want Trump - we will see at that time who these delegates really are.