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To: Moseley
The dissent by Brennan, joined by Douglas, does a good job of describing the diffefence between the majority and the dissent, and what the dissent thought the rule of law should be.

In the light of the complete lack of rational basis for distinguishing among citizens whose naturalization was carried out within the physical bounds of the United States, and those, like Bellei, who may be naturalized overseas, the conclusion is compelled that the reference in the Fourteenth Amendment to persons 'born or naturalized in the United States' includes those naturalized through operation of an Act of Congress, wherever they may be at the time. Congress was therefore powerless to strip Bellei of his citizenship; he could lose it only if he voluntarily renonuced or relinquished it. Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253, 87 S.Ct. 1660, 18 L.Ed.2d 757 (1967). I dissent.

Your claim that the court found Bellie to be "not naturalized, period," is false, and you know it. It is you who are making things up, claiming to find things in the court case that are not there.

715 posted on 04/12/2016 12:39:20 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

“Your claim that the court found Bellie to be “not naturalized, period,” is false”

No, I am correct and you are false.

Again, you read court cases like a 5 year old reading a technical manual for a nuclear power plant. Sorry, but that’s the reality.

FIRST, you do understand that a dissent has no legal meaning or effect, right?

The dissent is just COMMENTARY by judges who lost the vote and whose opinions were not adopted by the court. You do understand that, right?

SECOND, when judges are exploring the different legal analyses, they are NOT saying that it is actually true. They are arguing that EVEN IF this were true, we would come to the same result.

The majority found that Congress DOES have the power to strip citizenship even from a natural born citizen.

Being naturalized has absolutely nothing to do with the case.

It is 100% impossible to be naturalized at birth. It cannot happen. Not ever.

There has never been a child naturalized at birth in the history of the planet and there never will be.

THIRD, the statement “the conclusion is compelled that the reference in the Fourteenth Amendment to persons ‘born or naturalized in the United States’ includes those naturalized through operation of an Act of Congress, wherever they may be at the time”

has you completely confused.

They are talking about someone born overseas but naturalized in the United States. THAT MEANS THEY ARE NATURALIZED *AFTER* THEY ARE BORN, at some LATER time.

You cannot see past your assumptions and preferences to understand what you are reading.


717 posted on 04/12/2016 12:45:53 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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