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To: Moseley
Yes there is. Whenever a term is not defined, it is a delegation to Congress to define the term. Same thing happens when Congress writes statutes. It is clearly the power of the executive branch agency to define unclear terms or clear up uncertainty in the statute. Because the Constitution does not define the term “natural born citizen” it is the Congress’ power AND DUTY to define the term. Congress has done so since 1790. Congress has the power to define who is a natural born citizen. You cannot accept the fact that natural born citizen is NOT defined in the Constitution.

The Framers knew darn well what 'natural born' meant... and so do I. What you are ignoring is the history of how the Framers came up with the requirement of 'natural born'. They used it specifically as required qualification to hold the office of president. They NEVER allow any authority to redefine its original meaning.

Trump is the one who forced the Obama crew to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Obama... Nobody is ever going to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Ted Cruz.

Ah what you are attempting to do is to 're-define' the meaning of 'natural born'.

580 posted on 04/11/2016 11:15:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

“The Framers knew darn well what ‘natural born’ meant...”

Oh, how do you know that? Did you conduct a séance?

“What you are ignoring is the history of how the Framers came up with the requirement of ‘natural born’.”

Irrelevant, because that does not clarify the meaning.

“They used it specifically as required qualification to hold the office of president.”

Yes, that is like writing your name on the paper and expecting an A. So what? That is just stating the obvious.

I do not say these things to be mean.

But deprogramming from a cult is a painful process of reconnecting with reality.

So you state the beginning as if it were the conlusion.

” They NEVER allow any authority to redefine its original meaning.”

It didn’t have any original meaning. If there were an original meaning, they would have stated it in the constitution.

What you fail to understand is that the Constitutional Convention was a COMMITTEE. They often could not agree among themselves and deliberately kicked the can down the road on some things.

The Framers of the Constitution intentionally left it to Congress to define “natural born citizen.”

Trump is the one who forced the Obama crew to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Obama... Nobody is ever going to produce a born in the USA birth certificate for Ted Cruz.

Ah what you are attempting to do is to ‘re-define’ the meaning of ‘natural born’.


639 posted on 04/11/2016 1:43:13 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: Just mythoughts

“Ah what you are attempting to do is to ‘re-define’ the meaning of ‘natural born’. “

You cannot REdefine what is undefined.

Congress defined “natural born citizen” in the 1790 statute and again later in 14 USC 1401(g) — the statute in force when Ted Cruz was born.

Congress defined “natural born citizen” for the first time in 1790.

They did not “redfine” it because the Constitution did not define it.

And if the people who wrote the Constitution were so certain of its meaning as what you suggest,

then WHY did the vote in 1790 for an entirely different meaning of “natural born citizen?”

Didn’t they know in 1790 what you claim they knew a few years earlier?


640 posted on 04/11/2016 1:45:56 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: Just mythoughts
-- The Framers knew darn well what 'natural born' meant --

No they didn't! They used terms that they figured would create confusion and mayhem! That's why they are called flounders!

648 posted on 04/11/2016 2:25:50 PM PDT by Cboldt
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