Posted on 04/10/2016 8:21:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
“Except Cruz is a natural born citizen of Canada, not the USA.”
No, Ted Cruz is and can be both.
Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen of the United States.
All of the children of the Founders were BOTH natural born citizens of the United States as well as qualified to be citizens of England.
In fact the Red Coats came back in 1812 to rejoin the colonies to the United Kingdom.
All of those who wrote the COnstitution had children who could be EITHER natural born citizens of the USA and also citizens of England — at the same time.
The Constitutional ommittee used Vattel’s description of a natural born citizen in Article II. They had already named Vattel’s Law of nations in Article I. They ALL KNEW WHAT it meant, since they all studied and had access to the Law of Nations, the preeminent authority on International Law at the time.
Hell, he isn’t even a natural born citizen of Texas.
I’m retired, you apparently ain’t.
>>FR Moseley LIES and says the Bill was sponsored by two liberal Democrats. Reality sponsorship is 28 Republicans!
“Are you aware that Texas was seeking to disqualify foreign born / ineligible citizens from the General Election Ballot?”
..(d)AAThe secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate ’s original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen...
Free Republic patriots, Moseley has a hard time accepting the truth.
Here is the reality of the Texas Bill:
Relating to certification for placement on the ballot of candidates for president or vice-president of the United States.
The Bill was sponsored by four(4) Republicans, with 24 Republican sponsors.
Leo Berman
primary
(Republican)
District 6
Ken Legler
primary
(Republican)
District 144
Charlie Howard
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(Republican)
District 26
Lyle Larson
primary
(Republican)
District 122
Charles Anderson
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 56
Jimmie Don Aycock
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 54
William Callegari
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 132
Gary Elkins
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 135
Allen Fletcher
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 130
Rick Hardcastle
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 68
Linda Harper-Brown
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 105
Dan Huberty
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 127
Bryan Hughes
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 5
Jim Jackson
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 115
Tim Kleinschmidt
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 17
Leo Berman
primary
(Republican)
District 6
Ken Legler
primary
(Republican)
District 144
Charlie Howard
primary
(Republican)
District 26
Lyle Larson
primary
(Republican)
District 122
Charles Anderson
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 56
Jimmie Don Aycock
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 54
William Callegari
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 132
Gary Elkins
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 135
Allen Fletcher
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 130
Rick Hardcastle
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 68
Linda Harper-Brown
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 105
Dan Huberty
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 127
Bryan Hughes
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 5
Jim Jackson
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 115
Tim Kleinschmidt
cosponsor
(Republican)
District 17
Lyin’ Ted breeds Lyin’ Moseley.
Do not respond to me again Mr. Lyin’ Moseley.
No they didn't! They used terms that they figured would create confusion and mayhem! That's why they are called flounders!
They knew. And every one has understood perfectly well what the requirement meant until the ugly head of globalism sprung up.
I do appreciate your sense of humor...
Darn right they knew. If you study the progression of anti-RKBA in this country, you’ll find a similar pattern.
The constitution is not a dictionary. Only one provision has a specific definition, and that is treason. Somehow we have managed to impeach persons for high crimes and misdeameanors and promote interstate commerce without a constitutional definition either.
You are acting as though the framers did not have a common understanding of NBC. They did just as they knew what “well regulated” meant. The definition was taken from Vattel’s Law of Nations. That was THE treatise for understanding of terms of governance and diplomacy. That is the exact selfsame book that George Washington kept overdue from the NY Library for 250 years until it was discovered.
The only Congressional definition of NBC was that phony ass non-binding Senate Resolution 511 authored designed to give cover to McCain and by extension, Obama. Cruz nor Obama met THAT weak standard, (2 citizen parents) and they have NEVER defined NBC with regard to Article II, Section 1, clause 5. It is LONG overdue for resolution. So I say let’s adjudicate the matter in a competent court in an adversarial proceeding. Or do you fear the outcome?
Your word "apparently" jumps out at me. When did this happen and have we seen the documents that prove it? Do you think that Dems will just "let it go" if there is not verifiable proof?
I use the apparently because there are stories that Cruz traveled abroad on a US passport.
For purposes of his eligibility on the antiquated notion that the constitution and laws will actually be applied, whether or not he has a passport or CRBA isn't important. He can be excluded from the class of NBC without finding him a citizen or not a citizen. There is no need to get to the point of finding him a citizen, because even if he is, he is not a natural born citizen.
For purposes of his citizenship, a CRBA or passport also isn't necessary, but they would be the simplest evidence to produce.
It has happened that the state department has improvidently issued a CRBA, for example on fraud, misrepresentation of parents (e.g., claim one person is daddy, but really a different person is), so the presumption of citizenship associated with holding a CRBA or passport is rebuttable.
I don't think the DEMs will push on plain old citizenship, which, if he lacks it, removes him from the Senate and makes him either Cuban or stateless. There are a few reasons i think they don;t go there, and maybe don't challenge NBC at all.
One is that both major parties are part of the globalism transition team, and both parties want to eliminate the NBC clause. A really good way to eliminate it is to change the public perception of what it stands for.
Another reason is that all they really need to do is beat the GOP nominee for the presidency. Cruz is and will always be a minor force in the Senate. If the DEMs try for "too much," they can lose it all; much as Obama birthers lost it by focusing on born in Kenya (proof hard to come by) instead of dual citizen at birth (admitted fact).
THAT'S THE POINT!
Natural born is NOT defined by statutes passed by Congress because Congress ONLY has authority to make citizens through the process of naturalization. Natural born are defined by “nature” hence the term “natural”.
now go read your bible as God set forth the natural order of a child's nationality in the beginning and the nationality follows that of the father, NOT the mother
“So that proves that Congress has the power to define natural born citizen”.
The constitution, and the body of legal decisions and practices arising from applying it, creates the common law jurisprudence arising from that common law document. All black letter statutory law legislated in accordance with Article I, Section 8 are enacted to specifically define the common law. No constitutional provision can be modified by statute absent the Article V amendment process.
The intent of Article II, Sec i, clause 5 was to protect the office of POTUS from undue and baleful foreign influence, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. This reflects the patriarchical belief of the framers, derived from the vattelian notion that the citizenship condition of the children followed that of the father.
This is NOT some kind of civil rights issue. Article II was not meant to be inclusionary. It revolves around whether or not we continue this reckless path of failing to invoke the protections of Article II against usurpatious creatures like Obama or anyone else, particularly a glib tounged “strict constitutionalist” like Cruz claims to be.
Yes Cruz has posted his birth certificate and his mother’s.
Seriously strong medication.
By your tone and by your words, you have made very clear to me that you are an unstable ass.
If you are representative of the Cruz Clan, it is no wonder your ilk are viewed as a reprehensible gaggle of useless and mindless buttmonkeys.
LOL! Your misunderstanding of standing is pathetic. Do you even know what standing in a court of law means? It means you could be damaged. That’s why all these individuals who have sued BHO and gone to the SCOTUS got kicked to the curb. No standing. The DNC Can easily cause enough of a stink to keep Cruz off the ballot if all he can provide is a Canadian BC and a passport.
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