Posted on 04/08/2016 5:08:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Bkmd
Tomorrow morning at 9:00 in Mercerville New Jersey
Thank you very much. I am passing a lot of info to someone who I think will be using it perhaps in her state, not sure.
Natural born citizen
Naturally a US citizen because one cannot be anything else.
Born here of citizen parents.
Obama is not a natural born citizen. He was born with foreign nationality from his foreign national father.
Same with Cruz, Rubio, Jindal and Haley.
Apparently there is no controlling legal authority.
Anybody can run.
And it seems anyone from any country can serve in our military too...
Why today we found out this nice fellow~a Naval Officer born in Taiwan was charged with treason.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3419554/posts
Gee maybe Prince Albert of Monaco could run if he gets bored..He seems like a nice fellow :(
Obviously you didn’t bother to read previous posts for the basis of my “rant.”
The Naturalization Act of 1790 stated “children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens,” but “considered as” does not change the definition of the term or the fact of the physical circumstances of birth, nor can conferring a privilege by statute change an eligibility requirement in the Constitution. The 1790 Act also provided that its terms only applied to the law then in effect, which was changed by the Naturalization Act of 1795.
When this Act was reconsidered, Madison himself pointed out that Congress only had constitutional authority to naturalize aliens, not U.S. citizens, and reported a bill that amended the statute to eliminate the words “natural born” and simply state that “the children of citizens of the United States” born abroad “shall be considered as citizens.” This indicates that Madison’s view was that children born abroad of U.S. citizens were naturally aliens, rather than natural born citizens, and thus could be naturalized by Congressional statute but should not be called “natural born.” Congress adopted this amendment in the Naturalization Act of 1795.
The 1790 Congress made a mistake, using sloppy language, which was corrected in the next act on the subject. It is also irrelevant. It is a naturalization act, and a statute cannot change the meaning of a term in the Constitution. For that one has to go back to the usage of the term before 1787, and that means usage by Coke and Blackstone, especially Coke, in Calvin’s Case. That case controls the meaning for the Founders, who regularly referred to those authors when they were unclear on legal terms of art. The early Congresses often made constitutional errors. Then as now they did not always think everything through.
If you go to the bottom of page 48 of the following link you will see that in 1848 children were taught that you must be born in the U.S. to be eligible for president. Hell, I was taught that in the1950’s!
https://archive.org/stream/elementarycatech00stanrich/elementarycatech00stanrich_djvu.txt
You say, “But hey, if you can find any evidence of a Certificate of Naturalization ever being issued to Senator Cruz, I’m willing to change my mind.”
That is precisely the point, Cruz SHOULD have one to ascertain his U.S. citizenship according to the State Department but his parents failed to get one. I myself had to get a CRBA for my two children born overseas because statute declares them alien born and I was certainly a U.S.citizen stationed in London. See
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/A4en.pdf
Hope this helps.
The debate over whether or not Senator Ted Cruz is eligible for the U.S. Presidency is about to end. It has now been confirmed that Senator Ted Cruz is neither a “U.S. natural born Citizen” or a “legal U.S. citizen.”
According to all relative legal citizenship documentation available at present, Senator Ted Cruz was born Rafael Edward Cruz, a legal citizen of Canada on December 22, 1970 and maintained his legal Canadian citizenship from birth until May 14, 2014, 43 years later.
North American Law Center: “Ted Cruz Is In the U.S. Senate Illegally?”
At present, all FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests filed in search of any U.S. citizenship documents to confirm the true official U.S. citizenship status of Ted Cruz have been denied access. All citizenship records for Ted Cruz are sealed unless and until Ted Cruz agrees to allow any such records to be released by either U.S. or Canadian agencies.
All of this explains why Senator Ted Cruz has no legal U.S. citizenship documentation of any kind. He is not a “natural born” – “native born” or “naturalized” citizen of the United States. Because someone must be one of the three in order to be a legal citizen of the United States, Senator Ted Cruz cannot possibly be a “legal U.S. citizen” of any form.
Larry Klayman, founder of Judicial Watch: “Cruz and Rubio: Neither is Eligible”
Cruz is not a natural born citizen since he was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban-Canadian father, and until last year was a dual Canadian-American citizen. In 2014 he conveniently renounced his Canadian citizenship in the nick of time to run for the presidency. Rubio, on the other hand, was born in the states, but his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth.
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seems pretty clear and straight forward.
As I said previously, if folks who believe what you believe can convince any judge, at any level of the judiciary from Small Claims Court to the Supreme Court of the United States that your argument is correct and that a person who is a Citizen of the United States At Birth is not necessarily a Natural Born Citizen, I will happily concede the point in your favor. But until that happens...
Thus far every court and every state election board that has had the issue before it has ruled in Senator Cruz’s favor. For example, in a trial on the merits in Pennsylvania the trial court judge ruled:
“Having extensively reviewed all articles cited in this opinion, as well as many others, this Court holds, consistent with the common law precedent and statutory history, that a ‘natural born citizen’ includes any person who is a United States citizen from birth,” —Judge Dan Pellegrini, Elliott v Cruz.
The ruling was affirmed by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
Cruz Eligibility Rulings
Arkansas (Librace v Cruz) complaint dismissed
Florida (Voeltz v Cruz) complaint dismissed
Illinois Election Board, Cruz ruled eligible
Indiana Election Commission, Cruz ruled eligible.
New Hampshire Ballot Commission, Cruz ruled eligible
New York (Korman & Gallo v Cruz) complaint dismissed
Pennsylvania (Elliott v Cruz) Cruz ruled eligible
*New Jersey eligibility challenge is being heard today, 4/11/16
Cruz eligibility appeal submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles%5C15-1243.htm
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