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A Pivotal Time for Ukraine: The U.S. Should Redouble Its Support
The Heritage Foundation ^ | April 7, 2016 | Luke Coffey and Daniel Kochis

Posted on 04/08/2016 10:02:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: 1rudeboy

I do not trust Obama to be able to handle a nuclear showdown.

If that isn’t clear enough for you, you’re not playing with a full deck.


21 posted on 04/08/2016 10:28:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ted is the invisible man. When you consider his qualifications, he fades away. Look through Ted.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“If you could not care less about what happens in Ukraine, then how are you so convinced that we “actively” supported a coup there?”
The Putin shills are easy to tell.

They also double as Trump shills.


22 posted on 04/08/2016 10:28:58 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: jospehm20

I agree with you. That’s not even a tripwire; it’s just asking for pain.


23 posted on 04/08/2016 10:29:14 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: baltimorepoet
What was Ukraine before it was a Soviet "republic?" (the Soviet's term). Why are you starting the clock there?
24 posted on 04/08/2016 10:29:19 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

How about stationing some Russian troops in Cuba? Fair’s fair, innit?


25 posted on 04/08/2016 10:30:14 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: 1rudeboy

Time to follow John Kasich’s advice and “punch Putin in the nose.” That’ll fix ‘em.


26 posted on 04/08/2016 10:30:45 AM PDT by RAldrich
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To: DoughtyOne
And if it isn't clear to you that someday you may have to deal with a nuclear showdown with someone in charge whom you do not trust, then you are not playing with a full deck as well.

I mean, we saw how well Carter did. I can't imagine many conservatives were yelling "retreat!" at that time just because.

27 posted on 04/08/2016 10:32:35 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: sparklite2

They’re already there, oh Master of Logic.


28 posted on 04/08/2016 10:33:37 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

With the Ukraine, we are dealing with a corrupt government and people who don’t care enough to defend their own nation.

And yet you want us to go in guns blazing.

That isn’t just stupid, it’s almost criminally stupid


29 posted on 04/08/2016 10:35:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ted is the invisible man. When you consider his qualifications, he fades away. Look through Ted.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Could go back to when the US Constitution was implemented... was the Russian Empire. Before that it was a Cossack state.


30 posted on 04/08/2016 10:35:18 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: DoughtyOne
And yet you want us to go in guns blazing.

Oh, boy. And we were just speaking of "playing with a full deck."

31 posted on 04/08/2016 10:36:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So, exactly how much coin and blood are you willing to spare, so that the US can be the policeman in the world? Exactly what defines when the US should intervene?

Are you eager for the US to find its Syracuse?


32 posted on 04/08/2016 10:37:44 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: sparklite2

That is the way I see it.


33 posted on 04/08/2016 10:37:49 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 1rudeboy

Actions have ramifications bud.

That’s why I do not advise action at this time.

If you want to make a fool of yourself backing Obama taking action, be my guest.


34 posted on 04/08/2016 10:38:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ted is the invisible man. When you consider his qualifications, he fades away. Look through Ted.)
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To: baltimorepoet

Well, there are four bullet-points at the tail end of the piece I posted. You could start there for your answer.


35 posted on 04/08/2016 10:39:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

Ok, I’ll take that to mean that you admit that I do not want “us to go in guns blazing.” Thanks.


36 posted on 04/08/2016 10:41:09 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

If they throw a putsch, fair enough. But a coup doesn’t automatically get title to everything held by the old government. By definition, a coup only gets what it can take by force.
Everyone else in the country has the same rights as the western Ukes and the Kiev kids.

So eastern Ukraine bolstered by Russians resisted the coup spreading east. Russia moved to secure its centuries old base in Crimea and not let it become another NATO base.

And there isn’t a single American interest there. Imagine that, a war we don’t have to be involved in!


37 posted on 04/08/2016 10:45:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Navy Patriot

They’d probably have bone spurs.


38 posted on 04/08/2016 10:46:58 AM PDT by Outlaw76 (Conservative, Showman, Rino. Make your choice wisely.)
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To: 1rudeboy

This is all I could find ...

Lourdes SIGINT Station was closed in 2002. In July 2014, after Putin’s visit to Cuba, there were rumors about its reactivation,[16] quickly officially denied.[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

Please post a link to back up your assertion that there are Russian troops in Cuba.


39 posted on 04/08/2016 10:48:42 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: 1rudeboy

Every country has the right to self-defense.

So what would have been your position, had the Russians supplied Libya with advanced anti-air defenses to shoot down NATO planes, and supplied Libya with the means to defeat Western-backed Islamic terrorists?


40 posted on 04/08/2016 10:48:49 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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