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New Kasich N.Y. ad goes after Cruz, ignores Trump
The Washington Examiner ^ | April 7, 2016 | Anna Giaritelli

Posted on 04/08/2016 3:20:50 AM PDT by kevcol

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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Good. Trump can have the 95 delegates. Putting him over 850. Then the rest of the northeast gives him 1100. The mountain states and New Mexico gives him 30. California, Oregon and Washington give him 180. Done! Trump wins!


41 posted on 04/08/2016 12:11:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: stockpirate
The vetting process is just that, if a candidate sees he has no chance to win he drops out.

He doesn't stay in to act as a spoiler.

The General election is set up to prevent spoilers since it is winner take all in most States.

That is why we are a essentially a two Party system, only one of two men can win the election.

If the two men are so evenly matched that there is a tie, then it does back to the House who decides.

Because the House most represents the will of the People.

The nominating process only goes to the convention, as in the case of Ford and Reagan, for example, when the race is so close, that the convention delegates must decide it.

If Cruz were leading and Trump would be mathematically eliminated, Trump should withdraw instead of dragging it out to see if he could win a convention fight.

Convention fights usually leave the Party divided and weakened in the national election.

42 posted on 04/08/2016 12:14:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: JerseyDvl
Does anyone really believe Kasich would beat Hillary?

A month after the convention, new polls would show him 20 pts behind-surprise!

43 posted on 04/08/2016 12:15:50 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
If all nominations were held like this one, it will always end up at the convention, with the Party bosses deciding who is going to be the candidate, not the voters.

Actually, this is the way it always works, with the exception of one element. Usually, about this time, you would see the Front Runner emerge and start piling up win after win. Romney did it in 2012. McCain did it in 2008. GWB did it in 2000. Bob Dole did it in 1996... etc.

It is up to the Front Runner to rack up the wins in the middle part of the primary, so that he is the presumptive nominee by the time California and New Jersey roll around in June. I have been voting in New Jersey since 1990, and there has never been a case where the Front Runner had not salted it away by then.

It is not that the other candidates pulled out. They were knocked out. This is the way it usually works, and this is what Donald Trump, for whatever reason, is not able to do this year.

It is not John Kasich's fault that Trump's campaign is sputtering. When no Front Runner emerges to unite the party, the smart play is to stay in.

44 posted on 04/08/2016 12:17:00 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: fortheDeclaration
And Cruz will be done mathematically in two weeks!

The fact that both will continue to run shows that the real goal is just to get to the convention.

This is not how primaries are suppose to operate.

This is exactly how primaries are supposed to operate.

The Front Runner is supposed to get his bandwagon rolling, and have everybody pile on. The loser is supposed to continue to struggle to catch up and ultimately fail. It has happened this way every year I can remember, back to 1976.

But, for one reason or another, Donald Trump is not able to get anybody to jump on his bandwagon. I think it has something to do with the fact that his disapproval rating is something like 70% nationwide.

It is John Kasich's fault that Donald Trump can't seal the deal. Trump should be closing it out in spite of Kasich's best efforts.

45 posted on 04/08/2016 12:22:49 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Does anyone really believe Kasich would beat Hillary?

A month after the convention, new polls would show him 20 pts behind-surprise!

I think Kasich would beat Hillary like a drum.

He would be the calm and steady, trustworthy guy standing next to Hillary, whom nobody trusts and everybody dislikes.

But Kasich is not my favorite. I like Cruz. Kasich is too eager to expand government power, IMHO. But I would vote for him in a New York minute over any Democrat.

46 posted on 04/08/2016 12:32:59 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: Haiku Guy
The people 'jump on the bandwagon' because the other candidates concede to the reality they can't win!

What is occurring now is simply an admitted effort by both Cruz and Kasich to keep Trump from getting the number, knowing they can't.

So, this is a blatant attempt to ignore the will of those who voted for Trump and throw the nomination back to the will of the Party bosses!

Cruz said that Kasich should drop out when it became clear Kasich could not win.

All Kasich is doing now is muddying up the waters, and not allowing a two man match up to see who the grassroots really want.

This is not how primaries are run and could result in them becoming irrelevant when in the future, no candidates drop out!

If Bush and Rubio were still in the race, they would be getting enough votes to keep anyone from winning the majority and so have to go to the convention.

Only with Trump is a convention fight preferable to the establishment then having him an outright winner.

Convention fights usually result in the candidate selected losing the General election since the Party is divided.

The GOPe doesn't care about losing the WH so doesn't mind a convention battle.

Cruz voters are very delusional to think that Cruz will win a national election by winning a convention battle.

47 posted on 04/08/2016 12:38:19 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Haiku Guy
Kasich would lose to Hillary just like Romney did to Obama because the GOP grassroots do not want him!

Enough GOP voters would sit out the election (both Trump and Cruz supporters) to throw key swing States to Hillary.

You are delusional to think that a guy who can only win his own State in the primary could gather support from those voters whose candidates actually won various States and were leading him in delegates.

48 posted on 04/08/2016 12:41:33 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Cruz voters are very delusional to think that Cruz will win a national election by winning a convention battle.

It really does show the significant defects in Republican conservative mindset. Sticking to a state-of-the-art 1980 candidate won't win national elections in the 21st century. But there's a segment of the GOP voters that will figure this out in about 80 years or so.

49 posted on 04/08/2016 12:41:50 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Dr. Sivana
Republicans who want to vote for someone else should have an opportunity to do so, including those in California.

And a contested convention give them that chance to vote for someone? It opens the door for someone who has the fewest (or none at all) votes to become the nominee - you don't think that's demoralizing?

Funny how we decried how the machine that put Romney front and center disenfranchised so many of us (and gave the WH back to Obama for another 4 years of destruction of Freedom), but so many are now all for it - until it comes back to bite us all on the ass.

50 posted on 04/09/2016 3:24:52 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
Funny how we decried how the machine that put Romney front and center disenfranchised so many of us

When Romney was way ahead, many of us were hoping for a group of candidates (Santorum, Gingrich, etc.) to come up with enough candidates to come up with a contested convention.

If Trump can't even get a slate of his delegates to be properly registered at the state level, it is MUCH better for Cruz partisans to show up than J. Long-term Hack to take the spot by default.

Cruz is NOT the Establishment pick. Out of 17 candidates, he was about their 16th choice (maybe tied with Carson, for different reasons).

Trump is still likely to get the nomination, but the Democrats WILL have a disciplined and well-oiled machine. He may as well prepare for that now.
51 posted on 04/09/2016 5:09:53 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."-R.Reagan)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Cruz is NOT the Establishment pick. Out of 17 candidates, he was about their 16th choice (maybe tied with Carson, for different reasons).

He is now - at least as long as trump has a shot. When one's enemies seem to be backing one, it seems that questions need to be asked.

52 posted on 04/10/2016 3:09:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: fortheDeclaration
And the Anti-Semitic charge against Ted and all his supporters planted by the Trump campaign is ABOVE CONTEMPT?

Calling his minions from the Schumer slime machine to have us all painted as hatin’ on da jooozzz is ok with you?

MY ANTENNA WENT UP, OUR ANTENNA WENT UP, CODE WORDS, DOG WHISTLES...

Yep, Trumps new GOPe friends had it figured. Grab a few N.Y. delegates away from Cruz by having one of Donny's liberal hacks (whom he gave money to) gin up story lines about Antisemitism from Ted AND HIS SUPPORTERS...YES...

But they have been bagged.

They will not sleep well in the black tower of Mordor at Trump Plaza....THE JIG IS UP.

53 posted on 04/11/2016 6:45:32 AM PDT by JEDI4S (THE GREAT DELEGATE HUNT IS ON....HELP DEFEAT THE INTERLOPER!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Cruz is headed for CA as he probably knows NY is a waste of time. Kasich may be running for VEEP on a Trump ticket.

Or a Ryan ticket...

54 posted on 04/11/2016 6:48:12 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The GOPe deserve nothing more than a middle finger)
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