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The Solar Industry Is Dying. Good Riddance.
Breitbart ^ | March 20, 2016 | James Delingpole

Posted on 03/20/2016 5:20:30 PM PDT by upchuck

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Rest in Peace: The List of Deceased Solar Companies, 2009 to 2013

Rest in Peace: The fallen Solar Companies of 2014

112 Solar Companies have closed their doors in 5 years

Once a darling, Spanish solar company Abengoa faces reckoning

Saddled with debt from its expansion effort, the company is scrambling to avoid what would be the largest bankruptcy in Spanish corporate history

Announcing government support for clean-energy projects, President Barack Obama hailed a Spanish company, saying its new solar technology would supply tens of thousands of American homes with renewable power, while spurring local employment.

“It’s good news,” Obama said, in 2010, “that we’ve attracted a company to our shores to build a plant and create jobs right here in America.”

President Barack Obama hailed a Spanish company, saying its new solar technology would supply tens of thousands of American homes with renewable power, while spurring local employment.

21 posted on 03/20/2016 6:17:03 PM PDT by MamaDearest (<i>)
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To: Kozy
Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, the Solar City people did bring that up in their pitch. That if I sold the house, I'd have to either have the whole system de-installed and re-installed on my new house or convince the new buyers to take on the note. So at least they were upfront about that. But that's definitely a complication I don't need to be dealing with when I'm selling my home.
22 posted on 03/20/2016 6:21:54 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Delegates So Far: Trump (678); Cruz (423); Kasich (143)
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To: BinaryBoy
Want efficient solar power? Plant a garden.

or heat with wood.
23 posted on 03/20/2016 6:22:42 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: upchuck

Still costs too much.

And strip mining for ore to make solar cells is environmentally unsound.


24 posted on 03/20/2016 6:26:39 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: upchuck

The libs mock and despise those who know how to provide products and services efficiently (I.e., for profit)’ so whenever they try to actually do something productive, they fail. They refuse to learn how to do anything useful, so they never will. Green energy has mostly been a scam to scrounge for tax dollars anyway.


25 posted on 03/20/2016 6:27:53 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: SamAdams76

It’s a scam. You sign a lease and they put panels on your roof. They get the rebates and, when your panels are making power during the day, they sell the power back to the power company, not you. They are subsidized by the state and reap all the benefits.


26 posted on 03/20/2016 6:36:22 PM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: SamAdams76

ONLY IF THEY GAURENTEE IN WRITING.
For Conn? Forget it. Here in AZ maybe.

Dont get hooked. I would research panels sold on web sites like Northern Hydraulics/Tool and remember, depending on the size of your home, you will need enough to power your house even in cloudy weather. Mine would need an excess of 10,000 watts and I have a small house.


27 posted on 03/20/2016 6:58:51 PM PDT by crz
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To: SamAdams76

I’ve read that in CA and the SW, that very issue is causing a lot of people grief when attempting to sell their house.


28 posted on 03/20/2016 6:59:28 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: SamAdams76

did three types on my FL house. First and second were solar hot water and solar assisted heating/cooling. They knocked about 60% off my per month kW bill, then after about 6 months I had the last part - photovoltaic (PV) added. My total for electric generation - not the other parts of the bill such as surge protection or taxes but electricity used only, after 14 months of electricity use only has cost me just over $330.

The whole SS cost around $30k, and 30% was written off my taxes so it came in around $20k out of pocket. By my calculations the whole system with no increases in electricity costs by Duke (my electricity supplier) will pay itself off in 9 years. Of course Duke has been raising its electricity generation costs since they bought out the last provider so I am really anticipating a payoff in about 6.5 to 7 years.

But I will tell you I am still dependent on the grid. In order not to be I’d have to have some form of backup for nights and cloudy days etc. and the battery backup costs and storage would be enormous - the estimate I got was around 9 grand and they only last about a decade so you have to repurchase them and dispose of the old ones.

And for another plus, I have the add’l value for resale. Homes here in central FL do not usually have solar and the bills for cooling and pools etc often run from $200 to $350 a month. Mine was already lower because we added insulation to the crawlspace, changed out the windows and lighting and put in a three stage pool pump so my electricity was already lower than most of my neighbors.


29 posted on 03/20/2016 7:00:09 PM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: upchuck

It had to be alive before it could die.


30 posted on 03/20/2016 7:29:20 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: upchuck

I know someone in the solar business who is going to be distraught about this.


31 posted on 03/20/2016 7:33:36 PM PDT by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: upchuck

It is clearly evident to the dumbest ass that the election of Hussein Obama will go down in history as the death knell of the country once known as the USA. There is no possible way this benighted land will ever recover from the myriad various and sundry asinine policies and programs put in place during the Hussein era.


32 posted on 03/20/2016 7:52:44 PM PDT by DrPretorius
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To: Chode

Bump!


33 posted on 03/20/2016 8:04:48 PM PDT by upchuck (MAGA!!)
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To: dp0622

I would want a nuclear battery for each house if you wanted. space casule that travel and record stuff in space all have nuclear batteries on them. from wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_battery

The terms atomic battery, nuclear battery, tritium battery and radioisotope generator are used to describe a device which uses energy from the decay of a radioactive isotope to generate electricity. Like nuclear reactors they generate electricity from atomic energy, but differ in that they do not use a chain reaction. Compared to other batteries they are very costly, but have extremely long life and high energy density, and so they are mainly used as power sources for equipment that must operate unattended for long periods of time, such as spacecraft, pacemakers, underwater systems and automated scientific stations in remote parts of the world.[1][2]


34 posted on 03/20/2016 8:39:28 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: SamAdams76

Be sure to check with your local fire department if you put the panels on your hose roof. I’ve heard that firefighters will not cut through them to vent an attic due to the high voltages and currents present on the connecting wires.


35 posted on 03/20/2016 9:12:48 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: upchuck
Solar and wind power, IMHO, will never be practical because neither has the stored energy of fossil fuels.

I only half agree with you. They won't be practical as the only source of energy. But one of the nice things about natural gas is that you can set up plants to turn on and off extremely quickly - so you can pair them with wind or solar to pick up the slack when the wind isn't blowing or sun isn't shining. Makes economic sense.

36 posted on 03/20/2016 9:27:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: dp0622

You can blame GE and Westinghouse for the demise of nuclear power. They lobbied for subsidies to build their reactor designs and prevent safer competing designs from coming to market. And then a chimpanzee named Jimmy Carter signed an Executive Order preventing nuclear waste from being used as fuel and that completed the industries death.

Most people don’t realize it, but there are reactor designs that are incapable of melting down, as well as safely burning up 95% of the world’s nuclear waste. But GE and Westinghouse designs made movies like the China Syndrome seem prophetic, first at 3-mile Island, and then at Fukushima.

Since the odds of a GE/Westinghouse design melting down are not zero, it was inevitable that one or more would would occur and cause the public to completely reject nuclear power. It was surprising that nuclear power lasted as long as it did before the collapse in public confidence.

Someday a smart politician will come along and educate the public that there is a better, safer nuclear future out there. If they are really smart they will sell it as a win-win for climate and population alarmists, and sell it to climate skeptics as a fast track to economic growth through cheap, safe reliable power with lots of middle class jobs.

The only problem is there is no longer any such thing as a smart politician.


37 posted on 03/21/2016 2:30:26 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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It takes a special kind of stupid to claim that solar panels do not add value to a house.

Only a moron rents panels. I paid a net of less than $15K to put a 4kW system on my house. The system averages $130 per month in output (in today’s rates.) Every year that dollar value will go up as carbon taxes and other BS price increases are put in place by monopoly utility companies.

I used a home equity loan to purchase the panels and $85 per month pays my loan in 15 years, while the panels will last at least 25 years. And a portion of that $85 is tax deductible interest. When the time comes to sell the house, the equity loan will be paid in full and the buyer will be getting free electricity for the remainder of the life span of the panels. You can bet that free electricity will factor into the offers I get, and the panels will be an added value as a result, moreso than any other home improvement like kitchen counters or floors.


38 posted on 03/21/2016 5:29:29 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: Go_Raiders

I read more heartbreaking things about the past on here.

It’s GOOD to know, but still heartbreaking.

knowledge is power. even painful knowledge.

like Ted Kennedy and his dam immigration reforms.

like the powers that be not letting us win certain wars.

and now this.


39 posted on 03/21/2016 6:04:02 PM PDT by dp0622
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