Ah, but a debate or a rally is NOT a ‘serious discussion’. It’s a display of one-upping your opponent.
For dealing with the leaders, you’re going to let them think how wonderful they are, how you love what they’re doing, and you get them to agree with what you want. It’s called the art of the deal.
I don't want a wheeler-dealer to run the country, I want a principled leader.
It could be if it didn't have a bellowing child attempting to dominate the stage.