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To: WhiskeyX

Well why did the Founders go to the trouble? Or how could the Founders have been so brash to think they could say who is and who isn’t a citizen? Its called “self government”.

Unless you are some wildeyed libertarian anarchist, of course Congress has and the Founders had the authority to write laws regulating citizenship. To think otherwise is pure OneWorlder thinking.

Yours was a total non answer. About as absurd as some other birther saying that only persons born of two legal parents were citizens.

You are very right about one aspect, “A natural mother is natural by the law of Nature” and that precisely gives Cruz NBC (if there is such a thing under the law).


191 posted on 02/29/2016 7:08:22 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: X-spurt

“Well why did the Founders go to the trouble? Or how could the Founders have been so brash to think they could say who is and who isn’t a citizen? Its called “self government”.”

Such a claim is false and a fraud on the readers. The Founders knew full well natural born citizens were the children born in the jurisdiction of the United States with a U.S. father by the authority of Nature. Legislative organizations can only confer a subset of the privileges and duties of an actual natural born citizen by the authority of an artificial legislative act that creates the legal fiction of citizenship.

“Unless you are some wildeyed libertarian anarchist, of course Congress has and the Founders had the authority to write laws regulating citizenship. To think otherwise is pure OneWorlder thinking.”

That is yet another false statement and a fraud on the readers. In fact the Congress has only the power granted by the Constitution “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Such a Rule of Naturalization entails no more than using a legislative act to grant a non-citizen the right to be considered as if they were an actual natural born citizen in some but not all respects. Ted Cruz was granted U.S. citizenship by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, which is a legislative act, an act of naturalization, and can only produce a naturalized citizen as stated in the U.S. Supreme Court case, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. said “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....” Legislative acts can only create naturalized citizens, and the only means by which Ted Cruz had any path to U.S. citizenship was only through the legislative act and naturalization law that creates naturalized citizens. Congress has no power whatsoever to create a natural born citizen, because only Nature can create a natural born citizen in the absence of a legislative act.

“Unless you are some wildeyed libertarian anarchist, of course Congress has and the Founders had the authority to write laws regulating citizenship. To think otherwise is pure OneWorlder thinking.”

That is yet another false statement and fraud on the readers. You are behaving like an outlaw by denying the centuries of legal precedent in which Congress and other legislatures have never had the power to create or grant actual natural born citizenship. Your accusations amount to an attempt to smear with innuendo.

“Yours was a total non answer. About as absurd as some other birther saying that only persons born of two legal parents were citizens.”

There you go with the innuendo again. By your logic adoptive mothers who did not give birth to their adopted children are to be magically transformed into natural mothers by the stroke of a legislative pen in defiance of the Law of Nature. Ted Cruz acquired U.S. citizenship only because a legislative act authorized the U.S. Government to adopt Ted Cruz as a citizen, just like another legislative act authorized adoptive mothers to adopt children for whom they were not the natural mothers. The natural born citizen clause was included in the Constitution at a time when only those children born in the jurisdiction of the United States with a U.S. citizen father were natural born citizens of the United States.

“You are very right about one aspect, “A natural mother is natural by the law of Nature” and that precisely gives Cruz NBC (if there is such a thing under the law).”

That is yet another false statement. Eleanor Cruz was the natural mother of Ted Cruz, and she gave birth to Ted Cruz in a foreign jurisdiction while she was a Canadian Permanent Resident with her foreign Cuban citizen husband. The only natural affiliations with a sovereign Ted Cruz was born with was the sovereign of Canada, due to place of birth, and the sovereign of Cuba, due to the father’s Cuban citizenship. The only claim to U.S. citizenship was through the legislative act, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, which can only produce naturalized U.S. citizens, regardless of whether the United States adopted the child as a U.S. citizen at birth or after birth by the authority of the legislative act.


228 posted on 03/01/2016 3:15:13 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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