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To: DiogenesLamp
It doesn't bother me if prosecutors are sending these phones to Apple to have them cracked open, so long as a Judge's signature is on the warrant. As unwieldy as the process is, I doubt it's going to be abused much.

It is obvious that we have a fundamentally different view of government and our ability to trust it. I have absolutely zero faith that the government can be trusted to do anything but enlarge it's own power and scope. It has burst the chains of the Constitution many, many years ago. They can't even perform the fundamental tasks delegated to them such as policing our border, yet, with every single failure, they demand just a little more of our rights, just a little more of our privacy, just a little more control over our lives.

We are already there, friend, but I am not ready to engage in Civil War II just yet.

I simply do not understand how you can admit that they are already out of control, yet you're perfectly willing to just blindly hand them even more power to be even more intrusive than they already are. It boggle the mind.

Abuse of the system is a chronic problem, with or without iPhones. I don't think that John Doe prosecutor is out of the woods either.

If the prosecutor spends a day in prison for his abuse of power I'll eat my hat. Hell I'll do it if they just strip him of his pension. It's simply not going to happen, because there is no longer any accountability left in our government.

Lord Acton got it wrong when he said that power corrupts. It's power without accountability that is corrosive and dangerous to the citizen. I'm sure the fact that an appellate court was finally found what would call bullshit on his witch hunt is pretty surprising to me. I'm sure that's cold comfort to all the people who's lives were turned upside down and destroyed at his hands.

You can't store a count in ROM. Somewhere it has to be in ram, and then it is hackable.

I was thinking that that part of the bootloader would be in rom that wouldn't be able to be overridden through a software update. Of course, that would have to be code that had been debugged with in an extraordinary amount of thoroughness since it would essentially be unchangable post-manufacture. Since Apple has total control over the hardware they manufacture, I'm pretty confident they'll find a way. I certainly hope they do in any case.

149 posted on 02/29/2016 4:33:04 PM PST by zeugma (Lon Horiuchi is the true face of the feral government. Remember that. Always.)
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To: zeugma
I simply do not understand how you can admit that they are already out of control, yet you're perfectly willing to just blindly hand them even more power to be even more intrusive than they already are. It boggle the mind.

When we stop playing along, isn't that the cue to start fighting? Well I don't want to fight. I'm going to keep playing along and hope things change for the better until I am convinced that they cannot possibly change for the better.

I currently think the legal system more or less still respects the rule of law in criminal cases. That may change with the advent of ever more thought crimes, but we are not quite there yet.

If the prosecutor spends a day in prison for his abuse of power I'll eat my hat. Hell I'll do it if they just strip him of his pension. It's simply not going to happen, because there is no longer any accountability left in our government.

I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are not. I said those prosecutors in Texas should go to jail for filing those fake cases against Tom Delay and Rick Perry. We'll see what happens.

I was thinking that that part of the bootloader would be in rom that wouldn't be able to be overridden through a software update. Of course, that would have to be code that had been debugged with in an extraordinary amount of thoroughness since it would essentially be unchangable post-manufacture. Since Apple has total control over the hardware they manufacture, I'm pretty confident they'll find a way. I certainly hope they do in any case.

From what I have read, they've already done it in their later phones and operating systems. Just not this one in question.

It makes it all the more strange that Apple would pick this fight. They are basically fighting over a relatively obsolete piece of hardware and software. If their later stuff is truly unbreakable, how much of their subsequent equipment will this effect? It would seem none, yet Apple is throwing a conniption fit for some reason.

158 posted on 02/29/2016 5:04:31 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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