Posted on 02/19/2016 10:21:57 AM PST by Rockitz
Glad I don't live in a democracy.
When you stay home because you don't get the candidate of your choice, then you do deserve it.
Problem is everyone else pays the price too.
It's called the free market. The cost of shoplifters stealing stuff from the store is figured into the cost of the stuff you buy there. So if people are stealing health care, then that is already factored into the price of health care. A mandate for insurance only benefits the insurance companies and the people who have chosen to buy health insurance. It certainly doesn't benefit a healthy 20 year old who does not do dangerous things on the weekend.
I was self insured for about 30 years. I paid all my medical bills myself until I got insurance. I have paid a lot more (A LOT MORE) for my heath insurance than I would have paid if I continued to be self insured. I am on Medicare right now. Not because I want it, but because my insurance company mandates it. They insist that they only pay what medicare doesn't pay. But did they lower my premium? Hell no. Now I have to pay an additional $200 a month for the privilege of paying $12,000 a year for my health insurance and they will not pay anything that is the responsibiliity of the taxpayers.
What is and what should be.
Two things.
1. Thanks to the 17th, it’s close enough to.a democracy.
2. I’m not staying home. I’m voting, but not for a rino and not for a dem.
Thing is, it’s no longer my circus and they are certainly not my monkeys. The fact that they remotely have a chance is an indictment of our nation.
Then it would be anyone has to have car insurance even if you do not own a car or drive a car.
I am forced to buy an health insurance plan or pay a which I can not afford but the government doesn’t care. The plan has a $6,000. deductible and pays for nothing, nothing and nothing until I spend 6,000.00. I am going to pay the tax penalty because I have no choice.
F anyone who is for this piece of crap No insurance Insurance.
It is what it is...sad as it may be.
Yep. And I’m all about choosing my battles. It is important to note that the Smart Jews in 1930’s Germany are the ones who left.
"We" do not. States require auto insurance only to cover damages done to others. This is a condition for driving a car, not for being alive.
Actually it is a law. At least here in Ohio
Have you ever tried to reason with a person in a religious cult? IMHO, the Trump phenomenon has all the earmarks of a religious cult. No matter what he says, people make excuses. If the facts do not support their Messiah, they ignore the facts. If their Messiah says something completely in contrast to what he said before,they glom unto the current theological position and pretend they never held the opposite position. We now see people we knew were committed conservatives just a few months ago defending Code Pink and The Mandate because the Messiah has spoken in favor of those
I came out of a religious cult. What I see going on here is more religious than political. Personality trumps (no pun intended) principle. The church of the 40 Foot Wall.
I support the most conservative candidate with the best chance of winning. That’s W.F. Buckley’s principle.
To win the general, they have to win the primary.
However, I repeat: car insurance is a mandate. In Ohio it can be either a policy with a company or it can be a personal bond posted according to certain rules. Those are the only 2 choices. But, it’s law. A law is a mandate.
Health insurance should or should not be a mandate for those who will likely use health services and become a tax expense for the remainder of us. Some say it should be and some say it shouldn’t be.
I say that anyone who has ever used health services (or a family member) should have the same option. Either have insurance or post a bond. Health insurance should be a broad enough term to allow for personal plans with doctors, group agreement plans, etc.
As far as the indigent dying in the streets. I’ve met some of them. They’re actually dumb enough to do that. Like Scrooge says we can “get rid of the surplus population”, or we can recognize a responsibility to the less capable.
For my part, I know for a fact that whoever touches the “let them just die” rail is not going to get elected. No matter how pristine they might think that is in terms of conservative theory, they will go down to defeat with that pristine theory.
So, the bottom line remains: the most conservative candidate who can win the general election. To become that they have to win the primary campaign.
You’re right.
I really have my doubts as to whether Trump could win the General. He has the support of about 40% of the 30% of Americans who call themselves republicans, but his negatives are in the 70% of the General population as a whole. That means that as a general rule, people who don't love Trump, HATE Trump. And right now the number who HATE him far exceeds the number of people who love him.
However, I repeat: car insurance is a mandate. In Ohio it can be either a policy with a company or it can be a personal bond posted according to certain rules. Those are the only 2 choices. But, it’s law. A law is a mandate.
There is a huge difference between being mandated to have car insurance as a condition for the privilege of driving a dangerous 2 ton piece of metal on public streets and mandating that people buy insurance merely for the priviledge of living.
Generally laws are prohibitive rather than mandatory. Laws tell you what you can't do rather than forcing you to do something. The MANDATE to require everyone to have health insurance is not only unconstitutional (as there is simply no provision of the Constitution of the United States that gave Congress the power to create that mandate) but it is tyrannical.
There is a reason why not a single Republican voted for Obamacare. THE MANDATE.
IIRC you were as shocked and outraged as I was when Roberts declared it constitutional. Do you still feel that way? If not, what changed your mind?
Not really. Ohio only requires liability insurance, insurance protecting the people you run into, not you or your car. From ODI (Ohio Department of Insurance):
Ohio law requires the following for insurance coverage:
• If a person purchases automobile insurance, the state requires the person to purchase Bodily Injury Liability Coverage as well as Property Damage Liability Coverage.
• A motor vehicle liability insurance policy. Insurance cards are issued by an insurer to the policyholder for each motor vehicle insured under a motor vehicle liability insurance policy.
• A certificate of proof of financial responsibility on a form prescribed by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV).
That’s what I just said, insurance or bond...
That’s actually one of the things I like about a President Trump. All these competing special interests are subservient to the people. Can’t buy this guy off with campaign contributions or at special events at far-away conferences in expensive hotels or by making my buddies rich.
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