Posted on 02/19/2016 9:08:21 AM PST by SeekAndFind
If Cruz and Rubio are looking for some eleventh-hour ad material to galvanize righties before tomorrow’s big vote, they can’t do better than this.
Somehow, after six years of conservative agitation against the mandate and a 5-4 Supreme Court majority finding it unconstitutional as an exercise of Congress’s commerce (but not taxi!) power, it seems likely we’re going to end up with two consecutive Republican presidential nominees who are pro-mandate.
Romney at least wanted to leave the mandate-making to the states; Trump, an authoritarian with no apparent philosophical interest in federalism, probably won’t be as deferential. The silver lining, though, in nominating Trump as his affronts to conservative orthodoxy pile up (“Bush lied!”) is that we’ll get to finally see in the general election just what sort of real electoral muscle the conservative movement has. In theory, if the GOP electorate is as conservative as people claim, Trump saying something like this should detonate his potential support among a solid third of the party. No major-party nominee can win a general election after bleeding that much support on his own side.
In practice, I’d be very, very surprised if the numbers of Republicans staying home in a Trump/Hillary race greatly exceeded the numbers who stayed home for Romney or McCain. It’d be a different group that failed to show this year than failed to show in previous cycles, but in terms of raw numbers? Partisan tribalism will deliver most Republicans to Trump no matter how many supposed “core” beliefs he tramples on. That’s why, whatever Trump’s critics might tell you right now, he really does stand a decent chance of beating Hillary.
The bit about the mandate isn’t even the most interesting part. That distinction goes to Trump suggesting, repeatedly, that the only alternative is letting people die in the streets. I’m tempted to call that Obama-esque — “my opponents are not just wrong but morally depraved” — but O tends to reserve that form of argument for foreign policy and gun-control lectures. The guy on the left whom Trump sounds like here is actually Alan Grayson, the most notorious progressive troll in Congress, who stood up on the House floor in 2009 and said, “If you get sick, America, the Republican health care plan is this: Die quickly.” Trump couldn’t have said it better himself. We’re maybe 10 days away from making this guy the prohibitive favorite for the Republican nomination.
THIS IS WHAT I GATHERED FROM TRUMP IN THE ABOVE VIDEO:
1) Those who are sick and cannot afford to pay for healthcare must be taken care off because he does not want to see people “dying in the streets”.
2) Obamacare is a disaster it’s got to be repealed.
3) The poor will be taken care of while achieving the goal cheaply, also giving them the ability to choose their doctor
4) It won’t be single payer.
5) He mentioned COMPETITION.
THIS IS WHAT I GATHERED FROM TRUMP IN THE ABOVE VIDEO:
1) Those who are sick and cannot afford to pay for healthcare must be taken care off because he does not want to see people “dying in the streets”.
2) Obamacare is a disaster it’s got to be repealed.
3) The poor will be taken care of while achieving the goal cheaply, also giving them the ability to choose their doctor
4) It won’t be single payer.
5) He mentioned COMPETITION.
THIS IS WHAT I GATHERED FROM TRUMP IN THE ABOVE VIDEO:
1) Those who are sick and cannot afford to pay for healthcare must be taken care off because he does not want to see people “dying in the streets”.
2) Obamacare is a disaster it’s got to be repealed.
3) The poor will be taken care of while achieving the goal cheaply, also giving them the ability to choose their doctor
4) It won’t be single payer.
5) He mentioned COMPETITION.
I watched that part of the video along with everything else he said. He didn’t do a good job answering the question as far as I am concerned. He got himself sidetracked and never clarified what he was talking about very well. Hopefully the backlash this morning will force him to clarify his remarks.
The thing that always makes me cringe is when he starts talking about people “dying in the streets” does he not know that no one is turned away from emergency care in this country ever. I worked as a first responder for 25 years. We had drunks who ran up $2,000,000 in hospital and transportation fees because they were never turned away. No one is dying in the streets from lack of medical care in this country before or after Obamacare.
THIS IS WHAT I GATHERED FROM TRUMP IN THE ABOVE VIDEO:
1) Those who are sick and cannot afford to pay for healthcare must be taken care off because he does not want to see people “dying in the streets”.
2) Obamacare is a disaster it’s got to be repealed.
3) The poor will be taken care of while achieving the goal cheaply, also giving them the ability to choose their doctor
4) It won’t be single payer.
5) He mentioned COMPETITION.
Don’t know.
The government can tell me I have to buy insurance all they want, but I can’t afford it, and I won’t afford it.
My buddy has ins with a 4,000 dollar deductible. He came down with a kidney stone, paid for the visit out of his pocket, no way to have it ultra sounded because boom 4,000k up front or ins pays nothing. And if he did pay it, it resets next year so he can pay it again.
His ins is useless except for the money it costs him each month to have it in order to not get fined.
Furthermore, I get lab work done twice a year to make sure my diabetes is controlled. I use an offsite lab that I pay cash to for the work, it costs 149 each time, but every now and then they fail to send the results to my doctor.
I asked my doctor how much it would cost to use his lab at his office, and he said 800% more.
That’s what people’s insurance pays my doctor’s lab, and people wonder why costs are so high.
If you pay cash, you can negotiate HUGE discounts with medical professionals.
If you have insurance, you negotiate nothing, and if you have a copay, bend over and grab.
BS. I watched trump say this last night on CNN. He was in full support of the individual mandate.
Not only is trump an ignorant, low class bafffoon, he should no longer have any problems with justice Roberts. Calling the mandate a tax was at the heart of its being upheld 5-4.
This is the part that Trump left out last summer when he said that the government would pay the medical tab of anyone without insurance. Because without a mandate, no one buys insurance, and the government pays everything.
The question was about repealing obamacare trump volunteered that he LIKED the mandate.
RE: the government would pay the medical tab of anyone without insurance.
So why bother having insurance?
Nice try - if a health insurer is forced to insure someone with a pre-existing condition, then it follows that everyone is mandated to buy insurance - it’s the free rider problem.
Trump needs to clarify what he means.
Sounds to me the only difference between TrumpCare is the competition across state lines part.
He likes the mandate. Which I assume means everyone has to buy in— medicaid would be provided for the poor so they ‘dont die in the streets’
The government should never br able people to buy a product, what part of that is hard for a conservative to understand?
Trying to rationalize this is pathetic.
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To a Trumper, what he says can only mean what they want it to mean.
Trump seems to be Ross Perot squared.
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I sent Trump a message this morning asking for him to answer whether he supports forcing people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty. If he answers back; I will pass his answer on.
My wife and I are using Christian Healthcare Ministries which gives us an exemption from Obamacare... we also have a health savings plan which saves us money on our taxes. In another thread I posted a personal experience which illustrated why more competition is needed in the health insurance industry.
I understand that GOPe buttboy allahpundit (along with clowns at redstate) are not that bright, but Trump’s “mandate†referred to providing healthcare to the hobos dying in the street. Trump was not referring to any forced healthcare plan for everyone.
Nice try.
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This post is especially funny, how exactly do you mandate that an indignant, homeless person buy a product?
I love the picture! Thanks.
I see now that this story is showing up online with totally awesome, “bring truth to politics” headlines like:
Donald Trump: “I Like the Obamacare Mandate”
LOL, desperate, last-minute lies from camp Cruz. I expected nothing less.
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You are full of bovine excrement, as usual.
There is no mandate but the “personal responsibility” mandate.
Hospitals have been forbidden to deny care for over 30 years.
Stuff that up your lying piehole.
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