Posted on 02/19/2016 8:42:04 AM PST by agrarianlady
Exactly, and now that we've eliminated pre-existing condition exclusions (and we're never going back) we need to figure out the best way to manage this mess, not rail against it.
Oh really? I was on an earlier thread about this. Apparently mandate doesn’t mean mandate.
“COOPER: If Obamacare is repealed and there is no mandate for everybody to have insurance...”
TRUMP: I like the mandate.”
I don’t hate Trump. I would vote for him if he were the nominee.
You’re right. What I noticed last night when briefly scanning the Town Hall meeting thread last night was that tRump supporters really aren’t interested in the issues. That’s boring to them. They really just like the Donald because he screams and shouts and calls everybody liars. That is what works them into a frenzy, just like the Beliebers.
They need to be entertained at all times and the Donald usually obliges. Doesn’t really matter what he says just as long as he is entertaining them.
But what part of - " I like the mandate" comment are you saying he didn't say ?
From the mouths of clowns comes the truth.
Independent thought - you’ll get it back in 2017.
You may be impressed by all these words and meaningless plans that never get implemented once they hit Congress, which is controlled by their corporate paymasters and special interests.
We have tried to political class again and again with the same results. It is time to do something different. We really have nothing to lose.
Consider this: There has been a Bush as either President or Vice President for 20 of the past 35 years. Add 8 years of Clinton as President and you have two families dominating the national political stage for 28 of the past 35 years or 80% of the time. And this does not include Hillary Clinton’s four years as Secretary of State under Obama or her failed run at the presidency in 2008. Nine out of the past 10 Presidential election cycles, including this one, have seen a Bush or a Clinton in the mix.
Now we have a Clinton and a Bush vying to be the candidate of their parties for the 2016 Presidential race. Hillary Clinton is securely on the road to coronation as the Democrat nominee has overwhelming support from the Democrat political class.
Look, I like Trump a lot and have been very enthusiastic about him but he is making all kinds of crack pot and contradictory statements and no on, except the most blind, partisan supporter of his, would argue any different.
No one can honestly say what the hell he means or wants to do. Remember, I have been a bigger supporter of him than you have probably but this is just nuts.
Only women and gay guys love man dates!
And if you don’t like what Trump’s got to say, well screw you and wait till next week when it changes.
THIS !!
I agree with you. And of course I agree with what Trump says mostly. But he is all over with his comments. They literally change daily. No - hourly sometimes. And they sure as hell are way different now that he is running for the Republican nomination than what he has stood for, and said often in his recent adult past. I know people change their minds as they get older. but he changes his minds daily. And I am very concerned about what in the heck he really does stand for.
You see, you prove the point I have been making. Trump can say anything and you guys don’t care. This was not said years ago. It was in a RECENT Q&A with Anderson Cooper. “I like the Mandate.” So much for Trump really getting rid of Obamacare. But are you guys troubled? Nope! Tell me, what could Trump say that would shake your support of him?
It doesn’t matter if the article was from Red State, or “Dog State.” It is still just as valid!
Wow, you completely ignored the question he was asked. Guess you just want to argue blindly forward regardless of reality. It’s ok. Have a nice day.
I watched the “Town Hall” last night in its entirety. Trump never said that he supported forcing people to buy health insurance, nor has he said this at any other time during the campaign that I am aware of. I sent Mr. Trump a message this morning asking him if it was true that he wanted to require everyone to purchase health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS. He normally responds fairly quickly to something like this and I will pass on his reply.
Around here it has been raining every day for over a week. When someone asks what one thinks of the weather... the other person often says something like, “Gotta love that rain!” That is how I took Trump’s only use of the word “mandate” last night.
Trump then went on to say that he wanted to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines and continue to encourage health savings plans. My wife and I are currently using Christian Healthcare Ministries which gives us an exemption from buying an Obamacare approved plan. We also use a health savings plan which saves us a lot of money on our taxes.
This country has been debating Obamacare for nearly a decade (back to the 2008 primaries, at least). And in that entire time period-and in discussions about health insurance policy even before then--the word "mandate" has had a very specific meaning: a requirement to purchase insurance, either for oneself (the individual mandate) or for one's employees (the employer mandate). The word "mandate" is simply not used to refer to the requirement that insurance companies cover people with pre-existing conditions.
The two concepts are inter-related, in that they were both crucial parts of the deal Obama and the Dems struck with insurance companies in order to foist Obamacare upon us (the deal was that, in exchange for agreeing to cover people with pre-existing conditions, insurance companies were promised new healthy customers, through a mandate that those people purchase insurance), which is what Cooper was asking about--he was asking why insurance companies would agree to cover pre-existing conditions if they didn't get the healthy customers in exchange. But, the mandate and pre-existing conditions are two separate issues.
Got it. FACT and truth do not matter. What matters is an absolute desperate fanatic devotion to the Cruz cult.
He could tell you that he’s white and you’ll insist that someone is lying about it when they repeat it.
Thinking for yourself - it’s all the rage in 2017!
I hear what you are saying, and it has merit. But, I take Trump at face value when he state his (various) positions. Israel is a really big deal, so is affirmative action and single payer. I just don’t agree with him, any more than I agree with Clinton or Sanders.
And you completely ignored Trump's answer.
You also have a nice day.
And apparently no-matter who gets elected , Sanders, Clinton or Trump - we will still have this mandate to buy health insurance. So we got that going for us. . .
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