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BREAKING NEWS: Pope attacks Trump saying he is 'not Christian' for wanting to build a wall (tr)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3453193/Pope-says-Trump-not-Christian-views-plans-immigration.html ^

Posted on 02/18/2016 9:20:36 AM PST by TigerClaws

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To: V_TWIN; Vision Thing; 20yearsofinternet; b4its2late; ground_fog; Lazamataz; ManHunter
Misleading headline.

Pope Francis started out by saying (LINK),

"A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian."

Asked specifically about Trump, Pope Francis said,

"I say only that ‘This man is not Christian if he has said things like that,’” Francis said. "We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt."


I can fault Pope Francis

...for ambiguity, for equivocation --- and even for insinuation --- but the record shows he did not initiate an attack on Trump. Despite being egged-on by the press, he chose to give Trump "the benefit of the doubt."

122 posted on 02/18/2016 9:49:59 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers)
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To: John S Mosby

This is like saying George Washington, the Father of our country, wasn’t a Christian! Just because he protected our sovereignty, and furthermore, warned us against foreign entanglements!


123 posted on 02/18/2016 9:50:10 AM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vision Thing

I call it ecclesiastical bafflegab.


124 posted on 02/18/2016 9:50:56 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers)
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To: EDINVA
"Great way to reactive the dormant anti-Catholicism in this country, IlPapa, you jerk!:

It's not dormant, as any reader of political message boards knows. Nor is anti-Evangelicalism (Protestant) dormant. It seethes just below the surface of the Democratic Party and the media, but can't be entirely hidden. The Democratic Party is a thoroughly left-wing organization, and the left has always been strongly anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic in particular.
125 posted on 02/18/2016 9:51:17 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: ground_fog; All

How crucially true.
What you said of Catholicism, can equally be said of Communism needing poverty, hunger, ignorance and misery for ideal recruitment conditions.

Both ideologies have remarkable parallels in spite of one being outright atheistic.
Both disquise themselves as noble causes with goal of takong care of, and bettering the common people.
However, Communism and Catholicism are totaliarian in nature as a matter of historical fact.
Both have KILLED MILLIONS in their exercise of authority and control over thought, ideas, conscience, liberty and freedom.
Both also have their cult icons, idols and “infallible” leaders.
Both have ardent followers that willfully and irrationally ignore body count fact and remain steadfastly wed to these corrupt misery-making belief systems.

Fortunately, we’ve come to know the truth about both authoritarian systems.
Prediction: In the economic turmoil days ahead, the Catholic Church and Communism will form an unholy alliance to usher in an ugly final attempt to control all the planet’s people in an emerging New World Order.
You can already see their efforts playing out toward that end.

RE:
“Yes. Leftist Pope wants our whole country to collapse because poverty is a great recruitment tool for the church.

Stay out of our Politics Pope! Your a leftist who grew up in Argentina and only know what your leftists who taught you Marxism well. He is a politician”


126 posted on 02/18/2016 9:52:34 AM PST by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: drpix

The remains of a wall certainly exist; but there are countless unobstructed, unguarded accesses. Directly in front of St. Peter’s are at least two large thoroughfares into the tiny city, not to mention the city’s multi-level underground parking lots. The queue shown in your photo is for entry to the Vatican Museum, not “the Vatican” or Vatican City. Most of the city is car-free (except for inhabitants’), but so are streets in the historic, and often walled, portions of just about every city in Italy, many of which (like Lucca) are more securely walled.


127 posted on 02/18/2016 9:54:27 AM PST by Mach9
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To: TigerClaws; wagglebee

pope francis isn’t a real pope.

he’s an illegal replacement pope.

the real pope’s name is benedict


128 posted on 02/18/2016 9:54:49 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lazamataz

That was the non-diplomatic explanation of Trump’s statement.


129 posted on 02/18/2016 9:55:59 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No, it was just a mealy mouthed attack instead of a direct one.


130 posted on 02/18/2016 9:56:31 AM PST by Psalm 144 ("Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded" - James Madison)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I call it ecclesiastical bafflegab.

So not only does francis have the gift of gab, he also has the curse of bafflegab!

131 posted on 02/18/2016 9:57:08 AM PST by Vision Thing
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To: Kit cat

“I am Catholic but my disappointment in the church seems to be NEVER ending, they scream about abortion YET always vote DEM, the coverup of the molestation of young boys, and now this pope is just to much for me to handle!!! It has become such a battle within myself to have been raised in a religion that I find myself disgusted with!!! I do NOT like this pope!!!”

I’m with you. I grew up in a strict Catholic household and attended 16 years of Catholic school. So, I am eminently qualified to tell this pope to STFU and worry about his own problems!


132 posted on 02/18/2016 9:57:46 AM PST by Batman11 ( All Muslims are not terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslim!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

BKMK


133 posted on 02/18/2016 9:58:03 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: I want the USA back

Nail meet hammer.


134 posted on 02/18/2016 9:58:07 AM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: xzins

That is a fair observation, as made by another poster.

Benedict is almost the Man in the Iron Mask right now. Why?


135 posted on 02/18/2016 9:59:07 AM PST by Psalm 144 ("Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded" - James Madison)
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To: Lazamataz
Re: 121
Let me be less subtle ...

LOL! Ok, that was pretty direct, and to the point (and I agree with your 'less than subtle' statement).

136 posted on 02/18/2016 9:59:20 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Psalm 144

something was threatened that he deeply cared about????


137 posted on 02/18/2016 10:00:24 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wardaddy

Thank you for your kind words but I don’t think I want a church that survives the molestation of young boys by priests and does EVERYTHING it can to cover it up!!! The battle within myself is I DO NOT believe in social justice and I am finding myself more and more against the beliefs of my church than I am for the beliefs of my church!!! This pope has just been the absolute icing on the cupcake!!!! I wonder if other Catholics are having this same turmoil within themselves!! I have today decided I am going to seek out another church to attend!!!


138 posted on 02/18/2016 10:00:42 AM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: EDINVA
"And, what’s surprised in this transformation is the number of ‘evangelical’ Hispanics, their congregations and size of memberships."

Part of the explanation is that many Hispanics practice a kind of folk-Christianity which most Catholic intellectuals - and most Catholic priests - have been taught to look down upon as backward and superstitious.

Unlike a great many of North American Catholics, evangelical Christians still seriously believe in the power of prayer, in spiritual healing, in spiritual transformation, and in an actual experience of the Holy Spirit and the power of Jesus to transform lives. This is appealing to many Hispanics.

I am a fan of the British TV series, Midsomer Murders, in which most clergymen are Anglican vicars. For them, religion is reduced to mumbling prayers from a book, prayers which no one really believes. Much of Catholicism is also like that, and many Hispanics want more than that.
139 posted on 02/18/2016 10:01:06 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: xzins
I'm going to have to disagree there. I think that Benedict DID have the authority to step down, but he went about it the wrong way.

Francis now seems to be leaning toward artificial contraception due to the Zika virus and that will be a huge problem.

He is old though and there's rumors that his health isn't great. At least we didn't get someone in their fifties with Francis' views.

140 posted on 02/18/2016 10:01:15 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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