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To: BlueDragon
was Cruz's hired staff that sent out the emails about Carson

That hardly refutes my claim that Cruz's staff is sliming him.

201 posted on 02/16/2016 6:20:52 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
You missed the point(s).

The info that I discussed has been misrepresented by Trump, and by Carson both.

Those two themselves have both told lies about Cruz having allegedly lied about Carson leaving Iowa and not intending to campaign in New Hampshire and another state.

Then all along in this also, what others have done is attributed to Cruz having done so himself. Which converts whatever element of less-than flattering to Carson information there was that came out of Cruz's supporters to become converted into saying "Cruz lied" as if he did so personally and directly.

For your other assertion, the basis relied upon to keep on saying people having been sliming Cruz is more transference of what Trump, and Carson too to lesser degree were doing in their responses to the one aspect of what occurred in Iowa I was just talking about, people chiming in later in echo, sharing in with spreading disinformation about what really did happen. It's Cruz's opponents who all along had been doing the mudslinging over the Iowa Caucus, but are now blaming what they themselves are doing on Cruz's supporters. You've just done that yourself, following along the same template.

And now, the Cruz campaign is getting serious in fighting back. It's getting ugly isn't it? But not all the ugly is coming from Cruz. He called Trump a liar. Fact is, Trump has long been a course-changing, mind-changing word-breaking liar. When he's was called on it, Trump let loose with calling Cruz the worst liar he's ever met, blah, blah, blah. But that's Trump's bullying life-pattern. Remember, Cruz has long been on the receiving end of quite a lot being lied about by others, including recently verbal attacks of assorted type by Trump the man himself before turning to forceful negative campaigning in return.

Trump will say just about anything, making himself a "fair play" target. Then backtrack or move sideways, enough to give image of plausible denial if justification (regardless of how cheap and flimsy) is not readily available.

I don't know if Cruz now playing to the base, trying to milk what criticisms some DO have towards Trump's reversal and second thoughts about PP is perfectly justified, but the cause for suspending government funding to an organization that does do what PP is in the business of doing (along with whatever "good" they may do) is not without serious merit.

Personally, I would advise most any candidate to be quite careful with this subject matter. It's long been something of a third rail (high voltage).

This is different than making it out to be that Cruz is lying when what he's doing in regards to The Donald in this is more like over-simplifying where Trump now stands while stretching towards where he'd most likely end up if in office.

It's a lot easier to talk about trimming financial support for that wicked Org than it is (and would be) to have that successfully accomplished. And in this -- it's pretty much impossible to separate what PP does in realm of contraceptive assistance from providing abortion on demand, abortion becoming then as "contraception" after-the-fact. But that's where Trump has hung his hat, so to speak, and where a great number of politicians before him have also ended up. Mouthing relatively toothless opposition in order to placate abortion opponents, while taking care to not rile the supporters of having the procedure available up to and including partial-birth abortion. They may not get that last thing, and get abortion on demand well into the third trimester of a pregnancy as easily as they once did, but there is unrelenting pressure to return to it, just as there is steadfast pressure to roll availability back from the beginning of third trimester a week or a few.

Wendy Davis (she of the pink tennis shoes) flamed out in Texas and lost election in Ft. Worth to a quiet, conservative woman who did not share Wendy's "there should be no restrictions placed upon abortion" platform.

That may not play well in California, but in Texas, during the last recent elections, you could say to people who are usually disinterested in politics, the words "Abortion Barbie" and they'd almost always know exactly who that was.

220 posted on 02/16/2016 7:46:51 AM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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