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To: higgmeister

“NEW EVIDENCE: Intent of 1790 Naturalization Act””

Maybe this should go in breaking news...

not.

“In 1969 Pinckney McElwee uncovered evidence in the House Committee notes from 1795”

And where is this evidence? All I saw was writings dated 1969.

“1795 Naturalization Act text change”

Here is the full text of both:

http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/naturalization1790.html

A lot of differences. Not just a removal of the “natural born” provision.

What was the real reason for the change?

One reason was that Great Britain was asserting claims of sovereignty over the children of former British subjects. This ultimately led to the war of 1812. However, the 1795 act prevented the possibility of foreign subjects (such as those of Great Britain) from qualifying as president. While we could not change British law to prevent them from making such claims, we could prevent them from exercising control over our government by creating greater restrictions on the citizenship of those born abroad.

As for the weird figure of speech / misunderstanding theory proposed, it is simply nonsense. The same phrase is used in the same act to describe naturalized citizens as well. Are we supposed to be believe the intent was to specify those who were not really naturalized but merely “considered as” naturalized?

Come on now.


209 posted on 02/17/2016 12:25:53 AM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: unlearner
In Osborn v. Bank, 22 US (9 Wheat) 738, l.c. 827, Chief Justice Marshall said:

"A naturalized citizen is indeed made a citizen under an Act of Congress, but the Act does not proceed to give, to regulate, or to prescribe his capacities. He becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the Constitution, on the footing of a native. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national legislature, is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it, so far as regards the individual. The Constitution then takes him up, and, among other rights, extends to him the capacity of suing in the Courts of the United States, precisely under the same circumstance under which a native might sue. He is distinguishable in nothing from a native citizen, except so far as the Constitution makes the distinction. The law makes none."

Thus the Act of March 26, 1790 would be unconstitutional if it attempted to enlarge the rights of a naturalized citizen to be equal to those of natural-born citizens under the Constitution.

Although it is not within the power of Congress to change or amend the Constitution by means of definitions of languages used in the Constitution so as to mean something different than intended by the framers (amendments being governed by Article V) an argument might be advanced to the effect that the use of identical language by Congress substantially contemporaneously might be 10 considered in later years by a court to reflect the same meaning of the same words by the framers of the Constitution; and under this argument to attach importance to the Act of Congress of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat 103).

This argument fades away when it is found that this act used the term "natural born" through inadvertence which resulted from the use of the English Naturalization Act (13 Geo. III, Cap 21 (1773) as a pattern when it was deemed necessary (as stated by Van Dyne) to enact a similar law in the United States to extend citizenship to foreign-born children of American parents. In the discussion on the floor of the House of Representatives in respect to the proposed naturalization bill of a committee composed of Thomas Hartley of Pennsylvania, Thomas Tudor Tucker of South Carolina and Andrew Moore of Virginia, Mr. Edamus Burke of South Carolina stated, "The case of the children of American parents born abroad ought to be provided for, as was done in the case of English parents in the 12th year of William III." (See pp 1121, Vol 1 (Feb. 4, 1790) of Annals of Congress.) The proposed bill was then recommitted to the Committee of Hartley, Tucker and Moore, and a new bill containing the provision in respect to foreign-born children of American parentage was included, using the Anglican phrase "shall be considered as natural born citizens." Manifestly, Mr. Burke had given the wrong reference to the Act of Parliament of the 12th year of William III which was an inheritance law. But, it was a naturalization bill and the reference to the English acts shows the origin of the inadvertent error in using the term natural-born citizen instead of plain "citizen" came from copying the English Naturalization Act.

Mr. James Madison, who had been a member of the Constitutional Convention and had participated in the drafting of the terms of eligibility for the President, was a member of the Committee of the House, together with Samuel Dexter of Massachusetts and Thomas A. Carnes of Georgia when the matter of the uniform naturalization act was considered in 1795. Here the false inference which such language might suggest with regard to the President was noted, and the Committee sponsored a new naturalization bill which deleted the term "natural-born" from the Act of 1795. (1 Stat 414) The same error was never repeated in any subsequent naturalization act.

The Act of 1795 provides:

"The children of citizens born outside of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States."


http://natural-borncitizens.com/nbcfiles/nbc_McElwee.pdf
210 posted on 02/17/2016 12:45:31 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! Trump 2016 - and Dude, Cruz ain't bona fide either)
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To: unlearner
http://history.house.gov/Records-and-Research/Finding-Aids/3rd_congress_finding_aid/

http://history.house.gov/Records-and-Research/Finding-Aids/4th_congress_finding_aid/

211 posted on 02/17/2016 12:58:40 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! Trump 2016 - and Dude, Cruz ain't bona fide either)
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