Posted on 02/15/2016 1:57:52 PM PST by MarvinStinson
“Keeping troops indefinitely in Europe and S. Korea is one thing; they are not subject to constant attacks and casualties. But Iraq was never going to be peaceful, unless Iran was defeated.”
I prefer to use the past as a model, not a conjecture, thanks. I think a nice big well armed and staffed base in the middle of the new budding caliphate would be a good thing. Bush did not surrender Iraq. I get it, you hate Bush. But that does not alter the FACT that the strategy has worked in other places. Play “what if” with someone else.
He started a war to create democracy in Iraq. I guarantee I said then that that goal was impossible. I know muslims. Turkey is the only one that ever accomplished it, and they only lasted 80 years.
He was a spendthrift.
He gave us TARP.
He refused to tell everyone how awful Obama was. Do you think Obama will return the favor this fall?
He was a good man, but a lousy President, and a disaster for this country. The most damage he did to us was paving the way for Obama, and we may not recover from that.
“He was a good man, but a lousy President, and a disaster for this country. The most damage he did to us was paving the way for Obama, and we may not recover from that.”
W didn’t pave the way. We did. By we, I mean Republicans. We didn’t go to the polls and we didn’t fight democrats, we fought each other. THAT one is on us. I disagree with the rest, too. Hard to believe you feel no hate, especially with your litany, but I don’t know you, so if you say so...you are in fact, a better man than I.
I am so sick if hearing how GWB gave us Obama, it is total BS. the MSM and democrats were relentless and THEY happily gave us Obama. Abu Graib for six months, daily body counts, Valerie Plame, Scooter Libby, Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, yellow cake, no weapons of mass destruction, hope Saddam escaped to Syria, the photo op with GWB on the carrier, Mission Accomplished, Cindy Sheehan camping outside of his ranch, daddy got him into the ANg. It went in day after day for seven years, non stop, not one positive word was said about the man. AND NOW, conservatives say he has to be responsible for Obama, it is bullshit.
No problem.
Newt Gingrich gave a great speech in 2007 about how the war should have been fought. It was discussed here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894391/posts, but sadly, the links no longer work. It has been scrubbed from the internet. I have a copy of the speech, though, and if you want to read it, give me your email by freepmail, and I will send it to you. It is Newt at his finest.
The guy who kept talking about Iran is Michael Ledeen. He had a lot of connections inside Iran and knew what could have been.
The point is, people disagreed with Bush all along the way, even if we held back somewhat due to our patriotism. The day he said "religion of peace" I wanted to throw up. We had a fantastic opportunity to explain what Islam was and why it was a danger to our civilization and our very existence, and to implement policies designed to make Islam as bad a word as communism was during the cold war. Instead, we, because of Bush, glamorized and glorified it, protected and coddled it, and made American citizens, old ladies in wheelchairs and little kids, take their shoes off in airports and be groped. All in the name of an idiotic political correctness that would not have been countenanced in WW2.
Bush did not leave Iraq.
I never said he did. Bush said we needed to leave sufficient forces there indefinitely. Obama buggered out, and it collapsed. Under Bush, we would have had a safe green zone and occasional forays to keep the peace around the country, continually losing men and gobs of money along the way, while Iran continued to cause trouble, with its friend Syria in the south. Obama gave us Isis; Bush gave us decades more of low-level war to little end.
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