Posted on 02/14/2016 5:07:18 PM PST by TBBT
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Cool. I’m praying it’s true. I think the truth is somewhere between this poll and the CBS poll. With 5 days to go, anything is still possible. Trump’s distasteful debate performance needs some more time to sink in. I doubt he will get any “late deciders” after that train wreck.
2012 poll several days before the SC primary...
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/13/new-south-carolina-polls-romney-1st-then-newt-and-santorum/
Romney 28%
Gingrich 21%
Santorum 16%
Paul 16%
Perry 6%
Huntsman 5%
In the actual results, Paul, Perry and Huntsman went down and Gingrich went way up:
Newt Gingrich 40.42%
Mitt Romney 27.85%
Rick Santorum 16.97%
Ron Paul 12.98%
Herman Cain 1.05%
Rick Perry 0.42%
Jon Huntsman 0.19%
Michele Bachmann 0.08%
Gary Johnson 0.03%
The question might be, who is Trump more like in the minds of the voters, Romney or Gingrich? Cruz is clearly trying to line him up with Romney. If it works, it stands to reason Cruz would get his votes and experience a Gingrich-like surge. OTOH, the frontrunner didn’t experience any drop in 2012, only the lower echelon of candidates. People seemed to not want to waste their vote, so if those votes go away from Carson, Kasich and Jeb this time, I seriously doubt they’ll go with Trump, but Cruz and Rubio will be competing for them.
Trump running away with SC never made sense to me. I can see him winning for sure but that body of voters is nothing like NH.
The need to trounce Bush was last years fight. He simply won’t have very many delegates by the time they reach the convention no matter who goes that far. well unless it was just he and Trump in say the last 30 contests. I can’t see that being possible. Either Rubio or Kasich will be splitting votes with him as long as they last.
Uh huh - Bush’s backers run a poll showing Bush to be waaaaaaay more popular than anyone woulda thought....
Look, this “ story” that what happens on a commander’s watch belongs to that commander has been around a long time
The idea that Bush “ kept us safe” could be debunked by pointing out what is happening now as a result of his failed strategy to put ground troops in the Middle East for an entire generation without having the political will means and support to do what it takes to win
Bush/Iraq/Afghanistan = LBJ/ Vietnam
But with the difference that the failed Vietnam intervention did not morph into islamist terrorism targeted against the entire Western world with the bullseye on the USA
Yes I blame the democrat for causing us to lose but every President has to play the hand he is dealt and every president is dealt a congress that is 50% mol democrat or 50% mol republican and has to be factored into his strategy
Jeb laid the groundwork for another huge strategic blunder by saying “ we” have to remove Assad - this means grind war in Syria and maybe war against Russia to remove a sevular leader and replace him with Al Qaeda/ ISIS infighting horde of foreign infested radicals
Yah jeb, you skated on that while everyone piles on Trump for disrespecting your sainted family
Absolutely right. The GOP establishment has been telling us for a long time that we need to focus on getting the independent and moderate vote while they ignore, insult and screw over the base. Then we lost the last 2 elections. This formula doesn’t work. Until the “moderates” in the party realize there is no path to victory without giving the Christian conservative base what they want, they will never win. The Democrats don’t win by alienating the base either. Whoever nominates the candidate that MOST excites the far right or left wing of the party wins. And like it or not W. was a popular candidate with the base and his popularity has only gone up since leaving office. Everyone knows it was Obama who lost Iraq by pulling out, not Bush.
Trump is not doing much if anything to speak to people who vote out of “ loyalty” to the GOP because the GOP is a charade - exposed by their reaction to Trumps most extreme CONSERVATIVE positions vis immigration and their cowardice to do anything that upsets “ the establishment”
How loyal can you be to a party that is almost 100% disloyal to you?
Will everyone who feels betrayed and disgusted by both political parties please vote for Trump and all you loyalists who thought Romney and McCain were going to be conservative standard bearers please stick with Don Quixote Cruz
It’s a stretch to say that Bush is responsible for Iraq’s failure because he should’ve anticipated Obama pulling out. If every Republican has to limit themselves to doing things militarily they think the Democrats will support then you basically have a Democrat strategy in place all the time.
Besides, even the most cynical people never thought Obama would be stupid enough to pull out completely. Up until pretty close before he pulled out, most people thought they would make an agreement to stay. Obama at least went through the motions of negotiating a status of forces agreement for a while. The American public also would’ve supported a protective force left behind, just as you’re not seeing protests in the streets now over forces staying longer in Afghanistan. Only the most far lefty or isolationist wack job thinks we need to have our troops 100% out of these key regions.
Trump is the Romney in this race, the flip-flopping northeastern moderate billionaire who pushed socialized medicine for years. Ted Cruz is the staunch, lifelong conservative Tea Party candidate who the establishment hates because he is going to dismantle and destroy their stranglehold on power and their cowtowing to the liberal big city agenda.
Remember that Right to Rise is only a Bush SuperPAC as long as Bush is running. And Bush very well could be forced out of the race with Right to Rise still having ten(s) of millions of cash on balance sheet.
When the Right to Rise machers try to figure out what to do, there’s a real chance that supporting Cruz will be the outcome. Rubio is seen as a disloyal, impatient protege of Jeb’s, while Trump of course built his entire campaign in 2015 by disemboweling Bush.
Internal polls confirm Bush is still losing
Never
Because we do not have what it would take
The will to kill men women and children over ideology
The million men it would take to seize occupy and hold their territory
The independence to say “ no” to the Saudis and “ bend over” to the Iranians
No bush’ s entire strategy was based on the flawed assumption that the Iraqis shared our “ values” and would greet our troops with flowers when he removed Saddam .... And that disenfranchising Saddam's inner circle of Baathists would cleanse the power apparatus
Instead they started building IED’s and forming a sunni insurgency that has morphed, with major obama strategy bungles adding fuel to the fire, into ISIS
Bush as a man either willfully or ignorantly embraced Islam as something that could be reformed by western intervention. He led our nation into war against an enemy he could not or would not name.
Jeb is cut from the same globalist rop- hugging cloth but without the personal leadership qualities and or intellect of his father and brother
As with the debate on immigration thanks be to Trump for being politically incorrect enough to attack an establishment dynasty and for bringing this out here and now
Aside from obama ( who we can thank the ever silent ever gracious mr bush for bringing down on us )
Is 2003 calling and does it want its policies back?
It’s not really a matter of being “negative” - but rather, first of all, it seems unnecessary - Bush is way down the list in most polls - Trump has several people who are more an immediate threat to him including Cruz and Rubio whom it would seem he should really be concentrating on - also, his responses are not directed to the issues or policies but are personal - “He’s a loser” and “he’s a low energy person” are the sorts of things I would expect to hear on a school playground, not in a serious political debate....
You sound sooo PC. There is no special Presidential way to speak. You are trying to control speech style that you do not like.
Attacks on Bush are meaningful because some voters could be swayed by the Bush lying attack ads and vote for one of the other candidates thus possibly affecting Trumps overall vote count. Bush is in the race and if he attacks he needs to be attacked back, not ignored. We have seen this before and it does not work.
Try real hard to understand - nobody said that Trump couldn’t attack anyone, nor that there is a special Presidential way to speak - except that that speech should as much as possible be measured, reasonable and relevant to the issues - and avoid as much as possible ad hominem jibes, self-absorbed braggadocio, childish grimaces, and schoolyard taunts - we’ve had going on eight years of such divisiveness and incivility under Obama, and we don’t need it for another four years under some other president - that’s not PC, it’s respect and responsibility toward those with whom and for whom the president serves.....
So Trump was not respecting those he serves? You saw a different debate than I did. Trump was not respecting candidates who lied and misquoted him. If you do not support Trump you do so on the issues.
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