Posted on 02/14/2016 12:50:31 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
The nice thing is we don’t have to struggle in this faux debate you and I are having.
We could examine a world wherein the United States withdraws from Iraq and adopts a conciliatory apologetic stance and studiously avoided war— especially occupying wars.
That is called the Obama administration
It is in fact: a disaster.
It is not utopia. It is not peace or joy or any wonderful thing that the anti-thesis of George W. Bush wold be.
The anti Bush has made the world far more dangerous than ever and has increased terrorism here and abroad.
So feel free to wake up from your 2009 fantasy. Its 2016 and your thesis is in ruins. Let’s call them Syria.
Consider another forgotten case. At the same time we “failed in Iraq” we invaded another country named Liberia. Yes, while we were mere months into Iraq and Afghanistan, we invaded Liberia. We deposed Charles Taylor and installed the first democratically elected woman on the continent of Africa.
Consequent to our action as the “world’s policeman” acting imperially. We were able to respond to the Ebola outbreak by sending troops to our allied nation called liberia. That allowed us to contain a global pandemic.
The thesis you and other anti-warriors offer is easy to test. We won wars until Korea when we took a half measure. Since Vietnam, we allow the defeatist at home to dictate foreign policy.
But what is Japan?
What is Europe?
They are allies. They are on our side. Letting the nations you conquer revert to enemy status so you can feel more culturally benevolent is stupid and catastrophic.
The only thing that has slowed Russia’s advance and Iran’s advance are the lingering realities of Bush’s hard power.
Your friend and intellectual ally— Barack Obama has failed to accomplish your international fantasy.
No amount of prostration and apology will end the Islamosupremacism that will continue to find Americans at home.
We will fight them and we will defeat them.
Unfortunately, we will have to wait until your thesis has been shockingly disproven with the deaths of thousands of Americans in more terror attacks.
That genuinely makes me sad. The neo-isolationist fantasy has never been true for even one hour. I wish innocent people did not have to die in order for us to celebrate our military.
George W. Bush served this nation well. Its fine to want someone even more conservative. That is why I like Ted Cruz.
But the hatred people have for George W. Bush is pathological. It has killed tens of thousands of people and it will kill thousands more.
Someday, fools will not rule and we will celebrate the right and good actions of a man of great character.
I will not have to gnash my teeth as yet another Free Republic poster prattles on as if Barack Obama is some sort of foreign policy pro American genius.
Obama embodies one simple straightforward political principal: Bush was Wrong.
That makes him your guy.
Have him
I won’t.
>>> It’s called the reality of how it turned out knocked some sense into us.
I do not blame Bush for 9/11. I supported his rationale for military intervention in Iraq, which (people want to forget) also included Hussein’s flouting of UN resolutions. But it is true that W perpetrated the lie on 9/12 that Islam is a religion of peace. And it is also the case that Bush convinced conservatives like myself that places like Iraq yearned for western-style freedom.
It is on these two last points that 15 years of reflections has revealed the error of his ways. No doubt, Obama did everything he could to magnify the scale of the fubar. But knowing better today the nature of Islam itself, who would today stand with an interventionist neocon approach to ME nation building? Just about no one.
I really don’t like the way Trump spouted off the leftist view of Bush. But, in retrospect, I also do not hold W’s approach to foreign policy as something sacrosanct. It was a policy approach that was unrealistic and ultimately disastrous for this country.
Oooh, the truth hurts the Donald and his “supporters”.
Old degraded chem weapons that were too dangerous to move let alone use. They were abandoned because the Iraqis didn’t have the means to handle therm. What a threat to us! What a cost to us!
Yellowcake is not a nuclear weapon! Let’s invade all the nations that possess yellowcake and or chem weapons, that’s the ticket!
Ahh the sometimes repeated speculation Saddam’s WMD were taken to Syria, no verifiable evidence it ever happened. Waste of time speculating what has not been verified and such speculation does not post justify the invasion and empire building with the great loss of life and treasure.
I said what I said based on facts. I see you avoided a straight forward question I asked you and it is obvious why you avoided it.
I provided facts, you reply with opinion and conjecture, don’t waste my time...is that you Willie Kristol?
Telling facts about Bush and Iraq doesn’t make anyone in agreement with the cowardly fool puke in chief in the WH now.
As for what you have said and misrepresented about me in regards to Obama... PM me your address and I will come and stand on your doorstep where you can say it to my face, asshat!
I challenge you to read volume three of the Duelfer report.
You are factually incorrect.
The idea that Bush “lied” or had malice toward our troops, this nation is outrageous
I am glad you are angry. Trump’s conduct is outrageous. Code pink is outrageous.
More than that Saddam Hussein’s conduct is outrageous.
Your contentions have had a full embodiment in Obama. That is exactly what he believed and acted upon. The refusal to defend our troops and the justifications of the war is exactly what endangers this nation every day.
I have stood eyeball to eyeball with radical anti-war protesters saying these things and not flinched.
I believe the Iraq war was fully justified and successful. The fact that Americans betray their own military missions means nothing to me.
So if you think your profanity intimidates me you are sorely mistaken.
President Bush has more character than the sum of his critics. It is a lazy ungrateful nation that now reaps the whirlwind of his rejection.
Obama is the repudiation of Bush— that is how he beat hillary.
You know it and all the liars about the Iraq war know it.
Trump isn’t politically correct and he is bang on right. Bush was a disaster not a conservative and just because Obama is a disaster doesn’t change Bush’s history. Believe what you want it is a debate that will not produce new fruit.
Make America Great Again ... Trump 2016.
As for Vietnam, you bring it up as a red herring. No threat emanates from Vietnam. You probably know that. It's clear that you, like Trump, feel a need to trivialize national defense for political advantage.
For the first time in our history, we have a candidate whose whole life has been spent (with some success) in the world of sales and marketing.
Selling the sizzle, not the steak.
If we elect Trump, we shall find that sizzle is not very nourishing.
Isn't it sad. So many people abandoning their principles in order to flock around their candidate.
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