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To: Cboldt

No, it does not put Cruz is the “naturalized” bucket. If you are a citizen at birth, you are not “naturalized” at birth. You are just a citizen. Period.

This argument is getting tiring. It has been tried in various forms going back to the Presidency of Chester A. Arthur and has never held water with any controlling authority.

If you are born American, you are eligible for the Presidency. Don’t agree? Take it to court.


333 posted on 02/11/2016 12:01:06 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Cruz is NOT a NBC and even HE stated, correctly, that a NBC must have BOTH PARENTS AS AMERICAN CITIZENS at the time of the child's birth, years ago, when interviewed.

He has lately changed his story and LIED about it all.

You don't like it? Go argue with the government!

334 posted on 02/11/2016 12:16:47 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
-- No, it does not put Cruz is the "naturalized" bucket. --

The "it" you are referring to is the WKA decision. You cited a snippet of it, which is essentially meaningless without more context.

the Supreme Court states that the U.S. Constitution recognizes two, and only two (<-- The words in the decision) forms of citizenship: citizenship by naturalization and citizenship by birth.

All that does is establish two buckets. There is no definition of "citizenship by birth." Everybody in the world is born. Are they all citizens of the US by birth? No.

The WKA decision says more than what you chose to present. The quote that you pull out to mislead the reader comes from the following context:

The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that
all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,
contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized

That there are two buckets is an observation about the 14th amendment. It, the 14th amendment, defines two mutually exclusive groups of citizens.

Of those two 14th amendment buckets, which is Cruz in (if any!)? He's not in the first one, so he must be in the second one.
335 posted on 02/11/2016 12:20:45 AM PST by Cboldt
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