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To: LouD; GBA; Mollypitcher1
Now that I have answered your question, answer one for me. Do you even know where the Natural Born Citizen clause originates from? I mean who instigated it and why?

The term "natural born citizen" is not defined in the Constitution.

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So the answer to my clear question is *no*, you have no idea where it originates from and its original intent. That's all you had to say. You need not quote some modern revisionism ( "weight of legal and historical authority" ) attempting to define NBC when the original intent of the clause is readily available and has been for at least eight years. I mean, "Original Intent" was the point of your posts correct?

Article II Facts :: Constitutional Convention.

Alexander Hamilton's suggested presidential eligibility clause:

No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.

John Jay wrote a letter to General Washington, the President of the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention ...

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."

General Washington handed the suggestion to the framers and the rest is history. As we are talking original intent, no "weight of legal and historical authority" is required to get this far. This is about "foreigners".

Eight years ago, despite legal challenges to Barry, the first known case of a half-foreigner, ( and thanks to the failure of a single one of the 538 electors to stand up, and of VP Cheney to assert his power as President of the Senate ) the Supreme Court chose to punt this back to us to decide for ourselves. This is where we are now.

So, what constitutes a foreigner? That is really the question at hand. A person born outside one of the United States is obviously a foreigner. A person born of a foreign parent is at least one half foreigner ( unless you want to make believe that other half does not exist or is trumped by the USA half ). To say there merely requires a drop of USA citizen DNA is to also say that eventually the entire world will be NBC once enough time elapses.

Of this situation is where the simple proposition that a Natural Born Citizen is the offspring of USA citizens born in the USA. It is not a figment of our imaginations. It is the only algorithm that yields a clean solution. Sticking with the boolean model ...

USA born AND citizen mother AND citizen father = NBC

... has inexplicably been altered and bastardized, diluting the requirements for the highest office in the land to ...

USA born OR citizen mother OR citizen father = NBC

And that is where we are now in our enlightened modern age thanks to Barry, McCain, Romney, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal and their sycophant followers and the enemedia. And no-one can provide evidence of similar cases from earlier elections aside from Goldwater and Chester A. Arthur. It must be a huge coincidence, right? Wrong. It is severe revisionism.

On top of all that we are left with the ridiculous proposition that people like myself 3/3 NBC is actually equal to 2/3 NBC like Barry or McCain, or even to 1/3 NBC like Cruz or Rubio. This is an attack on Americanism, a truly globalist agenda.

All that is left is to now get those 0/3 NBC people qualified. And guess what? We're almost there already thanks to the two steps now acceptable to many folks. The question becomes, just how long can our Constitution really survive such revisionism?

( pinged a couple others for their Constitutional insight )

322 posted on 02/11/2016 5:36:50 PM PST by Democratic-Republican
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To: Democratic-Republican

Absolutely correct.Please add that the Law of Nations by E. Vattel is referred to in the Constitution in Article I, Section 8, Clause 10. The work has been clearly mentioned and used to set the parameters in offenses to be judged by the courts.
It is not a small, obscure thing, as THE RIGHT TO DECLARE WAR FOLLOWS in clause 11.
Clause 12 is the right to raise an Army, and clause 13 is to provide and maintain a Navy.
Obviously the Law of Nations, by being noted as an exact title, is NOT to be so easily dismissed as some would have us do.

Thank you for the ping. I appreciate it.


325 posted on 02/11/2016 7:00:58 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Democratic-Republican
Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban or Canadian Father and an American born mother and they didn't emigrate to the USA until Ted Cruz was 4 years old.

I was born here in the USA to citizen parents.

No matter what Ted Cruz says to potential donors and voters, my citizenship is different than his.

My mother was a natural born American citizen.
My father was a natural born American citizen.

I was born here, in the the United States of America, and have never been a citizen of any other nation.

I don't have a problem considering Ted Cruz a citizen, same as me, but his citizenship is NOT the same as mine.

His comes with all sorts of potential legal, national, ideological and philosophical baggage my citizenship does not have.

Teddy Cruz can call himself and his citizenship whatever he likes, but he can't call his citizenship the same as mine or my parent's.

His citizenship is not the same as mine. It is NOT the same.

Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said,

"every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen."
(Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

Aristotle said,

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal."

Ted Cruz, the lawyer, just babbles...

331 posted on 02/12/2016 7:59:02 AM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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