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To: Torcert

I left a liberal friend speechless when I explained to her that left vs. Right was BS. Liberals love to compare hitler to conservatives.

I explained that nazi’s were socialists. Communists and fascists were simply a similar form of government, like the difference between coke and pepsi. These are ALL forms of collectivism that require total government control of the population.

The constitution and conservatism want limited government, and these collectivist systems cannot exist without total government control. You either have freedom or you have collectivism, they don’t coexist.

She literally could not speak, she never heard an opposing view like this before.


10 posted on 02/09/2016 2:22:17 PM PST by bigtoona (Lose on amnesty, socialism cemented in place forever Trump is the only hope.)
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To: bigtoona

I know the feeling, Sometimes it feels like trying to swim upstream against leftist propaganda.


22 posted on 02/09/2016 2:40:05 PM PST by Torcert (Veritas odium paret. (Truth creates hatred.) - Terence)
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To: bigtoona

On this topic, Hayek nailed it ~75 years ago. From my FR profile page:

Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under “communism” and “fascism.” As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, “the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.”

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

— F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

Of course, his use of “liberal” is old school, pre-dating the misuse of the term by socialists running from their history, and hiding behind an inappropriate term.


47 posted on 02/10/2016 3:21:28 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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