[nathanbedford]

Nathan Bedford:

His participation in wrestling (yes wrestling!), Prize fighting, gambling, reality television, beauty pageants, and God knows what else.

sargon:

They are all legal and highly successful forms of entertainment in modern American culture. The fact that none of them are your cup of tea doesn't make them sleazy, by any stretch of the imagination.

Operating an abortion mill is not illegal but it is disqualifying in my view for such a person to become President of the United States. Operating a brothel in Nevada is not illegal but it is disqualifying in my view for such a person to become president of the United States. Entering a wrestling ring and shaving the head of Vince McMahon on display before thousands of people and on television is not illegal but it should disqualify Donald Trump from becoming president of the United States. We want a president not bread and circuses.

The sheer tonnage of sleaze stuck to Donald Trump like a tar baby should be considered when one decides whether Trump is worthy of the office. The cumulative total should be considered, it should be considered with all of his other character failings, it should be considered in connection with his biography including all his bankruptcies. It should be considered in connection with all his dirty tricks and cruelties. It should be considered in connection with is a lifelong leftism and support for Democrats . It should be considered in connection with his denigration of women. It should be considered in connection with his phony University. It should be considered in connection with his business failures beyond bankruptcies, his divorces, his unrelieved lying.

When all these things are considered together is impossible to deny that Donald Trump is sleazy. Too sleazy to entrust with our national destiny.

How many of the alleged triumphs or "deals" Donald Trump's life have been successfully concluded without a lawsuit? How many of those losses have been settled by Trump in secret? How many aspects of Trump's career have been conducted without accusations of dishonesty, unfairness, cruelty, bribery, intimidation, and God knows what else. I can think of no episode that does not include a lawsuit, but my memory is not sure. Can you provide some answers? I cannot think of a single significant action in Donald Trump's career that has not been riddled with controversy.

If you want to tell people they should vote for Donald Trump for all his triumphs and the empire he built, at least have the decency to tell them how he built it.

[Pelham]

Good grief.

Now you’ve gone so far as to compare Trump’s association with the silly entertainment of TV wrestling to investing in abortion mills and Nevada brothels.

Why don’t you step back and take a look at just how nuts your obsession with Trump has made you.

[sargon]

We want a president not bread and circuses.

We've been getting nothing but bread and circuses from the entire political class for decades.

What someone has done in the WWE for entertainment or promotional purposes simply doesn't disqualify them from being President.

To the mind of most reasonable people, none of those life experiences in the entertainment industry (which you arbitrarily hold in such contempt) disqualify someone per se from being President. Clearly, they disqualify someone from consideration for your vote.

People change their positions on issues over time (yes, even those who are not historically professional politicians).

The fact that you'd clumsily attempt to conflate serious issues with pure entertainment shows exactly how hysterical and deep your hatred for Donald Trump runs. It exceeds the rational.

If you restricted your criticism of Donald Trump to those things which are actually objectionable, you'd probably convince more skeptics.

As things stand, though, you've made us eminently aware of the fact that you have nothing but disdain for various aspects of the American entertainment industry.

You might be surprised to find that there are many decent Conservatives who watch WWE or reality TV, go to casinos, or, for that matter, declare bankruptcy during their lives.

You might also find that such people don't appreciate being talked down to, or told what constitutes Presidency-disqualifying entertainment ventures.

As for bankruptcies: the list of American Presidents, nbelievably enough, includes men who failed at business or professionally at some point in their lives.

Thomas Jefferson, for instance, declared bankruptcy several times in his life! Obviously not Presidential material, along with other losers like Ulysses S. Grant, William McKinley, and Abraham Lincoln, all of whom (in your book) committed such ostensibly Presidency-disqualifying transgressions.

You continue to overplay your hand with the Trump-bashing, and mixing the serious with the flippant does nothing to advance your agenda. Rather it undermines it.

Methinks you doth protest too much...