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To: John S Mosby

It actually has not been always been part of american history.


2 posted on 02/03/2016 3:04:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You are quite correct. The true history on this is not in question— only this jackass can rattle off his teleprompter the latest BS. Like the uni-religionists at the National Cathedral with their “outreach” service with the call to prayer for muzzies broadcast outside. This was attempted also at .... the Duke University chapel— and was struck down by outraged alumni threatening to remove their trust fund donations. This is where things are now, thanks to this a@@ hat stupid stupid organizer— obviously high again as he rattles off his “professorisms” of BS.


7 posted on 02/03/2016 3:09:11 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Can anyone name just one notable Muslim who played a constructive role in American history? I don’t know of any.


15 posted on 02/03/2016 3:12:12 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You’re correct .. it has not.

And .. as far as I can see .. their major contributions to America have been chaos and death of Americans.


21 posted on 02/03/2016 3:19:23 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The Fields are White Unto Harvest")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, islamics have been apart of American history....Thomas Jefferson said: only way to deal with people who’s only goal is to kill you, is to kill them first. 1801


23 posted on 02/03/2016 3:22:21 PM PST by svcw (Liberalism looks smart to stupid people.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I distinctly recall all of the Muslim pilgrims.


24 posted on 02/03/2016 3:22:46 PM PST by Ancient Man
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To: Secret Agent Man

Think “Shores of Tripoli” ;-P


32 posted on 02/03/2016 3:28:42 PM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Did he name any of these wonderful contributions?

“Created 434 openings for new firefighters at the NY Fire Dept?”

“New horizons in skyscraper demolition techniques?”

“Muslim interaction at Christmas parties?”

“Thousands of new jobs in airline security?”


33 posted on 02/03/2016 3:28:49 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Trump and/or Cruz, it's all good)
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To: Secret Agent Man; TalBlack

Well, the Muslim slave-holders and pirates across the north Africa (sound familiar to anyone ) first began taking their American victims BEFORE 1800... By the time Jefferson bought his Koran “to better understand my enemy” in 1801, and well before he began effectively fighting them in 1803 with better ships and better US commanders (sound familiar?) ... it seems that there have been very, very few years when Muslims were NOT in the US history.

As enemies, pirates, extortionists, and slaveholders.


36 posted on 02/03/2016 3:31:51 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

..Obama visits mosque: “Islam has always been part of America...

Since when? Islam has been an adversary since the Marines kicked their butts on the Barbary Coast.

Remember the words of our feckless leader, ‘ The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.’
This man is mentally ill.


46 posted on 02/03/2016 3:43:21 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Secret Agent Man

Oh yes, Islam has been a part of our history from the earliest days. It was Muslims who captured and sold into the slave trade non-Muslim Africans.


49 posted on 02/03/2016 3:53:00 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: Secret Agent Man

Dating from a line in the Marine Corps Hymn:

“From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli...”

And why were the US Marines in Tripoli?

When Thomas Jefferson was inaugurated in March of 1801, he inherited troubled relations with the Barbary states - the Ottoman Regencies of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, along with independent Morocco. The United States had treaties with all four, but tension was high and rising.

American representatives in the region wanted an American naval presence. They regularly, if less eloquently, echoed the 1793 view of their colleague in Lisbon: “When we can appear in the Ports of the various Powers, or on the Coast, of Barbary, with Ships of such force as to convince those nations that We are able to protect our trade, and to compel them if necessary to keep faith with Us, then, and not before, We may probably secure a large share of the Mediterranean trade, which would largely and speedily compensate the U. S. for the Cost of a maritime force amply sufficient to keep all those Pirates in Awe, and also make it their interest to keep faith.” The new president was fully aware of the situation. In 1790, as Secretary of State, he had reported to Congress on the subject in some detail, and he had been directly involved in the region even earlier.

The news from these consuls that awaited the new administration in 1801 was distressing. Tension was particularly great with Tripoli. Pasha Yusuf Qaramanli, feeling slighted by the Americans, was threatening war. He was convinced the Americans treated him less well than they did the other Barbary rulers. He was right, but Tunis and Algiers had negotiated better treaties. In October 1800, five months before Jefferson took office, the American consul in Tripoli, James Cathcart, summarized the long, rambling messages he had been sending the Secretary of State and others for a year or more. In short, he said, the pasha’s message is “if you don’t give me a present I will forge a pretext to capture your defenseless merchantmen; he likewise says that he expects an answer as soon as possible, and that any delay on our side will only serve to injure our own interests.”

A series of escalating incidents put the young US government at further odds with the pasha, who responded by chopping down the flagpole at the US Embassy in Tripoli, essentially a declaration of war. Early in June 1801, barely three months after the inauguration a small squadron - three frigates and a schooner - sailed for the Mediterranean under Commodore Richard Dale. Unfortunately, the pasha had not waited to hear from the new president.

During the next few months, squadron vessels blocked two Tripolitan corsairs in Gibraltar, delivered goods and messages in Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli, escorted American merchant ships, and briefly blockaded Tripoli harbor. In the only real action that year, the schooner Enterprize engaged and soundly defeated the Tripolitan ship Tripoli off the coast of Malta on August 1, 1801.

The Americans had set up blockades that severely hampered the trade of the pasha with other ports within the Ottoman Empire, and the situation was not coming to any satisfactory conclusion. The most important naval action in 1803 involved the frigate Philadelphia, which ran aground near Tripoli in October. The pasha imprisoned the 307-man crew and refloated and repaired the stricken vessel. Before they could make any use of her, though, on February 16, 1804 a US Navy team under Lt. Stephen Decatur slipped into Tripoli harbor after dark and set fires on board that totally destroyed the Philadelphia. The loss of the frigate weakened the American squadron, while captives from the Philadelphia gave the pasha new leverage and prospects of substantial ransom. In 1804, Jefferson decided the current squadron was not big enough to do the job. Newly-appointed Commodore Samuel Barron would command eleven vessels, “a force which would be able, beyond the possibility of a doubt, to coerce the enemy to a peace on terms compatible with our honor and our interest.”

After arriving on the scene, if Barron judged it expedient he was authorized to support an overland attack on Tripoli by forces supporting the restoration to power of Hamet Qaramanli, an older brother ousted in a 1796 coup by Pasha Yusuf Qaramanli. That idea had been proposed in 1801 by James Cathcart and also by William Eaton who knew the exiled Hamet in Tunis when he was American consul there.

Barron may have expected Eaton to bring Hamet to Syracuse for a consultation - that is unclear - but having eventually located him, Eaton helped the ex-pasha put together a collection of a few hundred armed Arabs and Greeks, mostly mercenaries under a handful of disparate leaders. Eaton, Hamet and several marines marched their “army” nearly 500 miles through the desert along the southern shore of the Mediterranean and, on April 27, 1805, they captured the town of Derne, some miles east of Benghazi.

Tobias Lear was given the commission to carry the terms of the treaty to the pasha. Lear sailed from Syracuse for Tripoli May 24th. Negotiations began shortly after his arrival, preliminary articles were agreed June 3 and the American captives from the Philadelphia were embarked on US vessels June 4. The final document was signed on the tenth. It involved neither payment for peace nor annual tribute. Based on the difference between the numbers of captives held on the two sides, ransom of $60,000 was agreed, well below the limit given Lear. Far to the east, the Americans, Hamet and his close associates left Derne on board American naval vessels June 12. The Senate ratified the treaty April 12, 1806.

Thus concluded the First Barbary War. American experience with Muslim rulers was to continue in the same negative vein up to the present day.


52 posted on 02/03/2016 3:56:07 PM PST by alloysteel (If I considered the consequences of my actions, I would rarely do anything.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“It actually has not been always been part of american history.”

I beg to differ. In 1786 the US was paying monetary tribute to the Muslim Barbary pirates. Thomas Jefferson finally put a stop to it in 1805.

That, my friend, is a part of our American history: the barbarism of Islam.


53 posted on 02/03/2016 3:57:09 PM PST by doldrumsforgop
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