"And the winner of the Iowa Caucus is.....Donald Trump!"
Posted on 02/03/2016 2:29:45 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
You didn’t do well in 8th grade English, did you Will? Notion and fact are not synonymous.
Now correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t you one of the Trump supporters who applauded Trump slandering Carson as a psychopath which drove Bens poll numbers down from 30 to 10 in Iowa?
Carson is bitching about being cheated, in his view. There is no excuse for what the Cruz campaign did, whether the victim lost one vote or ten thousand.
You’re defending a form of voter fraud. Since this is a peculiar circumstance that could only happen within a caucus system, there probably isn’t any specific law that addresses it. But it was still a form of voter fraud.
I was thinking the same thing on election night. Listening to Trump whine about Cruz today makes me wonder if Trump or his supporters have considered the possibility that, had Trump actually attended the only Iowa debate, perhaps he could have gotten himself over the 2nd place hump. Nah. They’re too busy bitching about a mailer being sent out urging people to get out and vote.
It is and I am sure Trump knows this (though not his fanatical supporters). Cruz just ran a better operation in Iowa and Trump all but admitted as much. Trump would rather as many people as possible dwell on his fraud accusations rather than see plainly that Ted out-campaigned him and that "the Donald" is no longer inevitable (he never was, but again Trump has to keep his supporters wearing blinders).
Trump is way ahead in the polls right now in NH, but if his lead dwindles and he somehow loses there too I am not sure if he will even stay in the race past South Carolina (assuming he loses that one too).
Trump’s problem is that he has some kind of mental block against the idea of accepting defeat. Always surrounded by sycophants reminding him of his awesomeness, the pain of reality biting him in the a** is more acute.
And no.. Cruz didn’t “cheat” Trump out of his assumed victory. Trump lost.
So get over it, kids.
"And the winner of the Iowa Caucus is.....Donald Trump!"
It is not voter fraud. You didn’t do well in pre-law either, did you?
I’m no expert on it, but doesn’t seem strange to allow the candidates and their people into the caucus?
You have campaign people in there clearly trying to sway votes and commit subterfuge...
Cruz won. This isn’t about that.
Cruz’s status won’t change one iota. It still seems like an environment rife with problems.
Here’s an attendee seeing the utter chaos I’m addressing.
It doesn’t seem right. It should be an election, not a free for all.
That would be my only observation.
By the way, are you trying to say that they haven't weathered that Cruz shenanigans? They're still there.
Most often, winning the Iowa Caucus is usually the kiss of death for Republican candidates. Huckabee won the Iowa Caucus in 2008 (McCain's year to win the nomination). Santorum won the Iowa Caucus in 2012 (Romney's year to win the Republican nomination). Old Bush won the Iowa Caucus in 1980 (Reagan's year to win the Republican nomination). Bob Dole won the Iowa Caucus in 1988 (Old Bush's year to win the Republican nomination). (1984, 1992, and 2004, Republican incumbants ran unopposed in the Iowa Caucus.)
Jimmy Carter won the Iowa Caucus just one time, in 1980. That same year (1980), Ronald Reagan actually lost the Republican Iowa Caucus, but went on to overwhelmingly defeat Jimmy Carter in the General Election, to become President of the United States of America.
For Republicans, winning the Iowa Caucus usually proves to be quite unlucky. (It won't take long at all to find out if this same kind of pattern is going to start repeating itself again this year. Just watch what happens in New Hampshire next Tuesday.)
If he manages to blow that lead in NH, he is gone.
Yes. He does.
I’m amazed anyone cares. IA means nothing. NH means nothing.
I’m not defending it at all. I’m just saying that a winning candidate can survive these tactics, as the eventual nominee will have to versus the Democrat machine. It sickens me that Republicans would stoop to Democrat tactics. But then Trump has been using Democrat attack lines for 6 months and now the entire field is following suit. I don’t defend that BS either.
Only problem, Steve Harvey is anti-Trump like yourself.
Let me ask it very slowly: if you are a caucus voter who is told by surrogates of admittedly sleazy politician Cruz that Carson has dropped out, they are stupid a. for believing sleazy Cruzers or b. for deciding to vote for somebody else instead of going home?
Um, not everyone owns a smart phone - especially the elderly.
I’m not anti-Trump, I’m ok with Trump or Cruz, I want the others to drop out before I have to choose between the two. But Trump and Cruz are not helping themselves right now by continuing to focus on what happened in Iowa, they both need to move on and carry forward their campaigns, or else Rubio will overtake them.
Being that Trump is a Democrat, couldn’t he just find some more votes in the trunk of his car?
Maybe he did and that’s why he came in 2nd place instead of 3rd.
I don’t think Trump wants the job. This is self sabotage.
That is one of the dumbest statement's I've ever read on FR. To have any basis for a notion, and to state that not one single vote was changed because of the Cruz attempts to change voter's choice, one must have something to base that sweeping "notion" upon.
If you knew - and you absolutely did not - that not one single vote was changed, then you had to have some sweeping set of facts covering 1,681 caucus venues to base your "notion" upon.
What a totally dumb and unsupportable statement you made. Your notions are best described as irrational, self-serving fantasies.
Now correct me if Im wrong but weren’t you one of the Trump supporters who applauded Trump slandering Carson as a psychopath which drove Bens poll numbers down from 30 to 10 in Iowa?
Instead of engaging in cheap, unsupported innuendo, provide links to support your cheap, childish little game playing.
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