Posted on 02/02/2016 9:57:03 AM PST by thackney
...said they were in favor of the change during an occasionally contentious Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the forthcoming full integration of women in the military. They offered their opinions in response to a question from Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), who said that she also is in favor of the change.
"Senator, it's my personal view that, based on this lifting of restrictions... every American who's physically qualified should register for the draft," Neller said.
"Senator, I think that all eligible and qualified men and women should register for the draft," said Milley.
The comments are a first in the Defense Department. Previously, senior defense officials have said only that the issue would need to be researched following Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter's historic decision in December to open all jobs in the military to women without exception.
Carter's action allows women for the first time to apply for a variety of physically punishing positions, including Army and Marine Corps infantryman, as well as Special Operations jobs, including Navy SEAL and Green Beret. The Defense Department plans to begin implementing associated changes in training and evaluation by April 1.
The Selective Service System has existed for decades, and was created to make sure the military has enough manpower when it is short-handed in a time of war. A variation of it was first adopted in 1917, as the United States prepared to join enter World War I.
But Selective Service laws have never required women to subject themselves to the draft and face the prospect of being forced into military service. The current version of the Military Selective Service Act requires that virtually all men in the United States between the ages of 18 and 26 register, most within 30 days of turning 18. That includes non-U.S. citizens...
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My comment was intended to illustrate the absurdity of the whole notion of women in combat. Feminists may not like it, but the reality is that men weren’t genetically programmed to give birth and raise children in the home. If we were, we’d be women. That’s their job. The man’s job is to go get the food and provide the physical protection. If women were equipped to do this, they’d be men.
Physical proof? Forget about muscle mass, strength and endurance, which are indisputable. Men are inherently better than women in spatial judgments. A man can instinctively determine the course and speed of an object and predict its future location, all while taking into account his own relative speed and vector. It’s what enabled early man to hunt down game for food, and modern man to play quarterback or centerfield. It also makes men suited for combat.
I’m not saying women cannot do these things at all, but when this ability is objectively tested, men are far better at it than women. It’s why women get lost so easily. Men don’t get lost.
We “explore alternate routes.”
Why is it that you insist on equating "draft" with "combat"? "Draft" equates with "service," the same sort of service they have been performing since the end of the draft in 1974.
I do not support drafting women to put rifles in their hands, 100lb packs on their backs, and shove them to the front lines. However, I do support drafting them only in time of national emergency to perform support tasks, and free up able bodied MEN for the front line roles.
The only way to draft women, is to register them first.
IMO seeing people of both genders learning self discipline, teamwork and finding a common good beyond themselves, is part of growing up. Women don't have to be subject to combat for that to be good.
If women want equality then they can serve their country shoulder to shoulder with the men that have been expected to do it. If they don't like femininazis speaking for them, this is what they earned by their silence.
That's because a lot of people are becoming emotional singularities, black holes of selfishness and self centeredness, blaming all American women for the actions of a small minority of feminazis and the fag cuckolds that support them.
Sound harsh and unrestrained? Thank Donald Trump.
I understand the distinction. There are forces attempting to get women into combat roles, and I believe it is inevitable due to everything ranging from political correctness to the desire to promote women into the upper echelons of military rank.
I am not opposed to drafting women, but that isn’t really the question at stake, in my opinion. We have to ask the question: what is the push we see right now? It isn’t to draft women. The push is to introduce women to combat roles.
I think everyone will likely agree that women are going to be introduced into direct combat roles (infantry, artillery, etc) long before the draft issue is even discussed.
If women are already in combat roles by the time that discussion rolls around, it will be a moot point. And they will.
I simply think the argument of “They want equality, we should give it to them in spades” is not the right way to decide this issue of drafting women.
I feel the same way you do, I believe women have in the past, can right now, and will in the future be able to serve their country honorably in the military. I just think when that time in the future arrives where a draft is implemented, we will have let the camel’s nose in the tent.
I agree. Of course there is a huge difference, and I don’t think I disagree with you except for the sentiment the last paragraph in your post conveyed to me.
It shouldn’t be “if they want equality” that should be brought to bear on the issue, it should be what is most effective for enhancing military capability. I don’t have an issue with drafting women in non-combat roles, I think they should.
I have an issue with saying let’s draft them to give them a taste of what they are asking for.
I believe we should fight now for the lives of combat personnel in the conflicts to come, because by the time they come, it will be too late.
My stand on this has absolutely nothing to do with the decision making capability, integrity, or toughness of women. I work for and with many women whom I greatly respect and admire.
Not to mention how I feel about my own wife.
To boil it down, my objection to women in combat is twofold: simple differences in physical capability and function between men and women, and the effect on morale and logistics associated with military activity due to a mixing of the sexes in that environment.
Women in the military should be held to literally every standard that men are held to.
Beginning with high and tight haircuts and daily shaving.
Anybody that disagrees with that hates women and equality.
I can’t disagree with you. You make an excellent argument against it. To bad the feminist don’t understand your points.
There are way to many non-combat rolls for women in the Military. But they are bound and determined to force it on the Military, just as they forced COMMIE CORE and 0’Care down our throats.
I know my husband would not have liked to serve with females on ship, homosexuals or transgenders. He is a 20 yr career Navy Ret. SCPO. Nor would my cousin’s husband who was 30 year career USAF officer. But they served in a different Military than today’s.
Obama is bound and determined to do this, no matter how wrong it is.
Sigh. I cannot disagree with you greatly on that issue, but the problem (for me, at least) boils down to this in your post: "...they will collapse like a cheap suit with confronted with the consequences of their political games...". I don't see anyone confronting them. There is nobody standing up on the issue. A President like Barack Obama would not be allowed to rule by Executive Order dictat if anyone stood up and said "No", but they don't.
I will say this for liberals. They are nothing if not patient. As conservatives, we have to man the defenses against liberal corrosion, and that involves 24x7 vigilance and plugging of holes in the dikes. All we have to do is let the guard down a little bit, and like water, they seep in. Liberals understand this very well, and recognize liberalism is a one-way ratchet, and once ground is lost, it is rarely (though not "never") regained.
And this is the way they have approached many issues, and the corrosion of the military is one of their battlefields. After all, the radicals from the 60's have entrenched their anti-military philosophy in the decking of the Democrat Party.
I hold out hope for the USMC, but the Air Force and the Navy have jumped the shark long ago, the Army is in the process of doing so, and the USMC? Well, I sure do hope the spirit of The Chowder Society prevails, because when the USMC folds, the bird will be done.
I agree, I think there are a lot of ways women can honorably serve, and have served.
Women in combat is wrong, and there are people linking the two. I can unlink them, and while I still don’t think women should be drafted even in a time of war (to me that is like eating the seed corn for next years crop) but I think there are plenty of options to serve honorably and well without putting women into combat roles.
If there were people pushing for the draft right now but not for women in combat, I might not be as alarmed.
But the fact is quite the opposite-there is a significant push to get women into combat, and nobody is really talking about the draft, except as a tool to frame women in the combat role. Heck, in the USN, it is a done deal already, and they are far worse off for it.
I’ve said it before and will again, it isn’t that there aren’t enough men to serve in the military, it is that this is liberal social experiment.
And by default, that makes it wrong.
I could not agree with you more come on if you don’t mind I will publish your assessment on my blog. personally I believe that there should be a two tiered power structure in the United States. 1 the highest here should be a military council I’ve proven combat leader at the highest level the executive branch should be termed the War Department. and they should appoint under them a civilian domestic affairs administration. America needs to be led by warriors not by lawyers and politicians have done nothing to deserve or earn the power that they think they control. The sooner this comes to pass the happier I’ll be. I just hope I live to see it
Heck, I don’t blame a majority of women for this. But I do damn well blame a smaller minority of dedicated liberals. I believe they do not have the best interests of the United States of America in mind. (understatement of the year there...)
True. But we are dealing with 2 Dictators in the WH who don’t give a rats behind about women and the facts.
As centurion316 implied in his post, I sure do hope that is the case. As a matter of fact, it is hard to imagine that General Neller would be for this, knowing full well the draft is clearly tied to the role of women in combat.
As a Marine, I HAVE to trust he knows the score. That is my hope.
And when this turns into a war, they’ll be fed to the dogs like Jezebel.
I don’t love it in a sense, knowing that, even as a woman being groomed for some situation, it is certainly going to personally complicate her life.
But I do love that it puts egg on the face of the people who were pushing it.
That said, I don’t blame women for attempting to fill the spots if the Army opens them. I would possibly do the same in their shoes. I just don’t think the Army should be opening the spots.
But thanks for the link, GailA. I had no idea that had come to pass.
I don’t disagree with a single thing you said. My position on making women register for the draft, as I’ve indicated in other posts, is that moms, dads and grandparents will say, “OK, we’ve had enough of this nonsense!” and rise up against it.
Early in my Army career, I worked with quite a few female soldiers and some of them were damned good soldiers in every respect - but in the context of the standards for their MOS. Not a single one was ready to be a Ranger, a SEAL, or a RECON Marine.
If you have to provide lengthy special training for a woman to just begin Ranger School or allow women numerous recycles above and beyond those allowed to men, then lower the standards to see them graduate for totally PC reasons, you’re admitting that women really can’t do anything a man can do.
Nor had I, and I usually keep up with Military news. I thought women on Subs was a dumb idea. They are bad enough to deal with on shipboard.
There are just some jobs that women don’t need to be in. I’m old fashion. But women have proved they can to some extent do most any job. WW2 proved that when women who were stay at home moms became the factory work force.
I’m not that old, but did factory work to support my boys and myself. Not a easy job either. Their father became an abuser after his tour in Nam, that I left with out looking back. Took my time choosing a second time around. None of all these safety net programs worth a spit back then. Then you had my pride to factor in. I bore them, I’d support them with a little help from my parents with babysitting on school holidays and summer. Traded off by taking my mom who didn’t drive shopping, which my dad hated to do.
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