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To: Bob434
-- According to current cases, He wasn't given citizenship by claim but rather by descent --

Technically, the legal term is by acquisition. But regardless of it being by descent, or derivative, or acquisition, what a person has at birth is a claim. In other words, "claim" is a generic umbrella term. It includes claims to US citizenship by descent.

-- I think the courts have weighed in on this stating essentially that a child born to a US citizen- even those born on foreign soil, are the children of a sovereign us citizen --

Read the cases. I have. Some children born abroad of US citizen parent or parents are NOT US citizens.

All of the courts find that a child born abroad is first (or presumed) an alien, and then, if the circumstances of birth meet the requirements set forth in a naturalization statute, a naturalized citizen.

171 posted on 01/30/2016 3:37:31 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

[[Some children born abroad of US citizen parent or parents are NOT US citizens.]]

Yes because certain conditions were not met to meet the requirement of NBC (IE they never abode In the us throughout their life- forfeiting their citizenship

[[All of the courts find that a child born abroad is first (or presumed) an alien]]

That’s not true- I provided links to cases to you before that show they are NBC as distinct from needing to acquire citizenship through an act of naturalization- We spoke of this awhile back in another thread- The cases pointed out that naturalization for NBC is different than naturalization for those who must become citizen through an act- people born of one us citizen do not need this according ot those cases- those born to parent’s who aren’t citizens need to undergo a naturalization process/act

I know your argument is that anytime the word ‘naturalization’ is used, it means an act by statute, and that any time a statute is involved, it invalidates a person from being an NBC- but recent cases seem to refute this


172 posted on 01/30/2016 3:48:50 PM PST by Bob434
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