Posted on 01/30/2016 5:19:52 AM PST by Kaslin
By the 1790 law, this would have been a real sticky wicket.
The mother was a citizen, but the father had not become a citizen, had lived here for a while, but then had moved to Canada and apparently immediately applied for Canadian citizenship, since he had it by 1973 and it takes a while to obtain it.
So, he would have been the child of a US citizen and a Canadian resident, even though that man had resided in the US prior to Cruz’s conception. I think George Washington would have considered Cruz Jr. not to be a US citizen by the 1790 law, but it’s got some odd details and I could be wrong.
At this point his natural born citizen status is irrelevant.
It’s going to be Trump. And Trump ain’t gonna pick Cruz as his running mate. Trump is going to go for an independent. Let us pray it isn’t Bloomberg.
Maybe Lieberman. He needs to shore up the middle. Whatever his pick for VP nobody on this forum is going to be happy.
I’m sure if you hired Cruz to argue that - no, a dual citizen of two countries and born in one can’t be a natural born citizen of the one he wasn’t born in.
And I’m sure he’d have an easier time with this argument than the one he is expecting us to believe...although he doeesn’t talk about it much.
After Obama I’ve had enough of this.
It’s just a curiosity for me at this point. I like early US history, and this is intriguing.
He won’t pick Bloomberg. I think he’ll go after Santorum, Rubio, Kasich, General Jack Keane, maybe Alan West....someone with some appeal to the base.
Who are today’s most accomplished American’s and conservative?
Don’t know why I put Kasich on that list. Picking Kasich would worry me. It could just be about the Ohio electors in the electoral college, but it also would say “moving to the middle”.
Santorum is more conservative than Kasich.
I don’t think he will pick a republican. I think he knows the path to victory is going to be getting independents to join in. Lieberman is a liberal, but he’s a patriot. My bet is he goes with a patriot who is not now not ever has been a Republican. Although Alan West might be a good alternative.
Then I’m going with a general: Jack Keane would be excellent.
Lieberman is 73 years old. That’s not ancient.
I just think it would signal exactly the wrong thing to people like me. I’d leave him over that. Lieberman is strong defense, but huge social programs and abortion support and climate change and on and on.
And that is the truth!
It certainly is. Can’t wrap my head around people on FR wanting to see Ted Cruz “going down on Monday night” as mkjessup put it above. It is totally mind boggling.
He has to win over the “ask not what I can do for my country, but ask what can my country do for me” independents. Those are the people who pushed Obama over the top.
Social and fiscal conservatives like us, unfortunately, make up a very small percentage of the electorate. Trump is running on that platform to get the nomination. In fact he is running hard right on that platform and he will, unfortunately, not be able to run that hard right in the general.
Trump is being “expedient”. Is he better than anything the democrats have to offer? Well, Satan would be better than Hillary or Sanders. But they are going to appeal to the “ask not what I can do for my country, but ask what can my country do for me” democrats and independents. Trump has to get some of them. Reagan had to take GHWB along for the ride.
Any “conservative” endorsement that doesn’t address the GOP’s “media handicap” is just another example of the GOPe feeding our people into the woodchipper, only to click their tongues in “told you so” disdain as he’s spewed out the other end.
It wasn’t added for no reason, they didn’t want immigrants to be able to become President. They only required 14 years of residency in the U.S. to become President, so obviously they weren’t paranoid that someone who lived outside the U.S. for even most of their life would be some sort of evil foreign agent. It’s up to other countries to decide who becomes a citizen or not. Canada could make everyone in the U.S. a citizen now if they wanted. It’s irrelevant to someone’s qualifications. Did they leave out a part of the Constitution that might have said you can’t be a dual citizen for a reason?
I can’t argue with you, but Trump abandons me when he abandons “close the border”. That is his primary credential, and I’m okay with getting that one thing.
However, in reading his history, it appears he really was a Reagan republican when he was young. He backslid. He’s not so much a convert as a reclaimed sinner. Let’s see what happens is the gamble I’m taking.
But I get open borders with anyone else who is likely to win, and Cruz is closed border but keeps shooting himself in the foot.
Both of them support ‘legal immigration’, and I’d like a total moratorium on that, but not one politician is asking for that.
If like our Constitution, Canada’s says you have to reside there for 14 years to be President, then, no, he was never qualified to be President of Canada.
Cruz is a natural-born U.S. citizen. Did he have to immigrate here? No, he was a citizen at birth. Our Constitution wasn’t so stupidly written that it didn’t make children of U.S. citizens natural-born citizens themselves. It would be hard to raise your child if you couldn’t bring it back into the U.S. if it was born while you were traveling abroad.
Try to legally immigrate to Switzerland some time.
Or for that matter, try to illegally immigrate to Mexico.
They didn’t say anything about it because the concept of being a natural-born citizen of two countries would never occur to a reasonable person. It only occurs to people who want something so badly that they are willing to cut corners around the law to get what they want. I, for one, have had enough of that with the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations, and I don’t want to do it again.
He is a natural born Canadian citizen. Somebody posted the part of the Canadian states that says so on another thread. He is not an American NBC. There is no way In the world to convince me that somebody born in a foreign country, with a non citizen parent and who held dual citizenship for 43 years is what the founders had in mind when they wrote that requirement. Cruz is qualified to be my Senator and I voted for him for that office. He may even be qualified to be president of Canada, that I do not know. I do know that he is not qualified to be POTUS and Cruz knows it also.
Neither Mexico nor Switzerland want me for anything other than tourist dollars. Switzerland I’d consider, but an Anglo in Mexico has a death wish.
Do you consider Ted Cruz to be an alien or foreigner?
Neither. I consider him a US citizen, just not NBC.
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